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  • TechNoir
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2015
    • 301

    #661
    Looking good Kevin and as always interesting.

    In the second picture am I right in assuming that it isnt a crack in the case immediatly below the bearing?

    John

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    • Shaky Jake
      Ol' Poop
      • Jan 2013
      • 261

      #662
      Originally posted by TechNoir View Post
      Looking good Kevin and as always interesting.

      In the second picture am I right in assuming that it isnt a crack in the case immediatly below the bearing?

      John

      Thanks John.

      No, it's not a crack, just a scratch, but it really stands out in that picture though, doesn't it! Thanks for pointing it out.



      Kevin


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      • Shaky Jake
        Ol' Poop
        • Jan 2013
        • 261

        #663
        As testament to my method, here is a picture of the main bearing from the transmission that I ran in the 2016 Cannonball. After 4000 hard miles it came out still looking like it did when I put it in:








        Several times during the 2016 event I had trouble with the transmission hanging up. Sometimes it wouldn't go into third gear, sometimes it wouldn't come out of third gear, sometimes it just plain got stuck. One of my favorite Cannonball memories is when I was coming in to some HD dealership where they promised us lunch. Several hundred folks had gathered to watch us arrive, and to meet the riders and ogle the bikes. The dealership was up on a steep hill and Patience was jammed in third gear, and she couldn't pull the hill. I had to stop mid-slope and dismount. A small crowd gathered around to watch and offer encouragement as I attempted to diagnose the cause of the jammage. I wasn't feeling to good about my situation at this point, and I was pondering the possibility of a difficult climb and push to the top of the hill. I was encouraged, however, by the positive energy I was receiving from the growing group of onlookers. While holding the brake with one hand I extracted a screwdriver from my jacket pocket, which had been placed there to facilitate the occasional adjustment of the automatic oiler. I used the screwdriver to pry on the operating lever on the gearbox, and it popped out of third gear. I can't describe how happy that made me. The crowd picked up on that, and began making joyful noises. When I kicked the old motor to life, the joyful noises increased to cheers, and when I clicked Patience into first, popped the clutch, and charged up the hill people began to jump up and down, waving their arms in the air and shouting "YES!" It was nice. It made me feel good, having their support like that, and I think they had fun too.

        Anyway, back to the gearbox rebuild. That night I borrowed a lift at the HD shop and dropped the gearbox out. I found that the shift segment bushing was pretty worn and that seemed to be at least part of my problem. The shift segment is a toothed doohickey that engages with the shifting fork inside the transmission, and goes through a bushing to connect with the operating lever on the outside of the transmission. The fact that the bushing was worn was allowing it to bind when a lot of force was applied. I fitted a makeshift thrust washer between the operating lever and the transmission case, next to the bushing. It improved the situation, but I still had to make very deliberate gear changes for the rest of the race, to prevent jammage from occurring. It would usually happen when I was tired, or I felt rushed, and my gearshifts would get sloppy.

        So, as part of this rebuild, a machinist friend made me new shift segment bushings and precision thrust washers for both transmissions. Here is a video of the loose bushing:






        This next video was made after the new bushing was installed:








        I can't wait to try it on the road.


        Kevin

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        • Shaky Jake
          Ol' Poop
          • Jan 2013
          • 261

          #664
          Towards the end of the 2016 ride my swing arm bushings were pretty much shot. It was like riding a wet spaghetti noodle. Today I took the rear end apart in preparation for fitting new swing arm bushings. From this:






          To this:






          Kevin

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          Kevin
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          • Steve Swan
            Possessed by Motorcycles
            • Aug 2013
            • 1589

            #665
            Kevin, i think it is really cool how you are showing us the lovin' you're giving your baby. Your thread, amongst other things is a wonderful journal of one man's love affair with his motorcycle. You are teaching me in a simple and practical sense so much more than just putting parts together. Bravissimo!
            Steve Swan

            27JD 11090 Restored
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClUPIOo7-o8
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtuptEAlU30

            27JD 13514 aka "Frank"
            https://forum.antiquemotorcycle.org/...n-Project-SWAN
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNRB...nnel=steveswan

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSDeuTqD9Ks
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwlIsZKmsTY

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            • Tom Lovejoy
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2006
              • 951

              #666
              Really appreciate you sharing these Kevin.

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              • TechNoir
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2015
                • 301

                #667
                May I echo what Tom and Steve said.

                On the subject of the wet spaghetti, what is the spindle like? Will that need any attention or replacement or is it just the bushes?

                John.

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                • Shaky Jake
                  Ol' Poop
                  • Jan 2013
                  • 261

                  #668
                  Thanks for the kind words guys.
                  The spindle will need to be replaced. Oddly, in addition to being loose in the bushings, it is worn in the middle where it clamps into the frame. It must have been ridden for some time with the clamp screw lose. When I get the parts cleaned up I'll be able to tell more.




                  Kevin

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                  Kevin
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                  • Jim
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2001
                    • 783

                    #669
                    I'm just wondering if you had rebuilt the swingarm bushings before? So... did that wear out in 3000 miles? OR was this worn out from many many miles from over the years? NICE repairs on your Indian!
                    Jim

                    AMCA #6520

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                    • Shaky Jake
                      Ol' Poop
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 261

                      #670
                      Originally posted by Jim View Post
                      I'm just wondering if you had rebuilt the swingarm bushings before? So... did that wear out in 3000 miles? OR was this worn out from many many miles from over the years? NICE repairs on your Indian!
                      No, it was one of the things I didn't get to before the 2016 ride.



                      Kevin


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                      Kevin
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                      • BoschZEV
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2012
                        • 520

                        #671
                        Originally posted by Shaky Jake View Post
                        Towards the end of the 2016 ride my swing arm bushings were pretty much shot.
                        Swing arm! Your bike gives you the comfort of rear suspension!!?? That's totally not fair.

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                        • Shaky Jake
                          Ol' Poop
                          • Jan 2013
                          • 261

                          #672
                          Originally posted by BoschZEV View Post
                          Swing arm! Your bike gives you the comfort of rear suspension!!?? That's totally not fair.
                          I see you're having an "I could have had an Indian" moment, BZ.

                          ;-)



                          Kevin


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                          Kevin
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                          • Shaky Jake
                            Ol' Poop
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 261

                            #673
                            Let's put these "three speed countershafts" together. I assembled the main one and the spare at the same time. Here is how the output gear stacks up:










                            Then we throw it into the case thusly:












                            The small bearing in the cover of the spare unit was shot. After a half our or so in the oven at 300F and a few light taps with a piece of copper, it came right out:












                            The new bearing went into the freezer for a couple hours and the cover back in the oven. The bearing dropped right in:










                            Stayed tuned for the next episode and more more rootin' tootin' action.




                            Kevin

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                            Kevin
                            https://www.youtube.com/c/motodesoto

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                            • Steve Swan
                              Possessed by Motorcycles
                              • Aug 2013
                              • 1589

                              #674
                              The wife's oven?
                              Steve Swan

                              27JD 11090 Restored
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClUPIOo7-o8
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtuptEAlU30

                              27JD 13514 aka "Frank"
                              https://forum.antiquemotorcycle.org/...n-Project-SWAN
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNRB...nnel=steveswan

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSDeuTqD9Ks
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwlIsZKmsTY

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                              • Shaky Jake
                                Ol' Poop
                                • Jan 2013
                                • 261

                                #675
                                Originally posted by Steve Swan View Post
                                The wife's oven?
                                Yes, wife's NEW oven, and she was there when I did it! She's alright. And she can cook! How did I get so lucky?




                                Kevin

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                                Kevin
                                https://www.youtube.com/c/motodesoto

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