1965 Panhead Book Project

[D.A.Bagin]

Were the turn signals an option or "dealer installed" in '65?? If they were an option that was dealer installed, would they not affect judging as they were not on the bike when it was at the final exit from the "Factory"?? "As it left the factory" is what I was told for judging purposes. My take on options are that they are not deductible unless they substantially detract from the rest of the bike.

[T. Cotten]

D.A.!

The Factory photos show them.

....Cotten

[upsrod]

They were std. on the King Of The Hiway pkg. Probably the most popular pkg. They were pre wired with switches ect. but I think the dealer installed the lights, rear fender tip, front and rear bumpers etc.

[Underdoggie]

John, doesn't your flasher clip into a holder (like the 3 clips holding the breakers to the rear fender of your Superglide) that is held to the headlight housing by the 8/32 screw referenced in the earlier posts?

The only holes in my housing are for the turn signal flasher lights. The flasher relay is not in any kind of clip. It is covered by a rubber sleeve and is in among the wiring. I always assumed the turn signals were on the bike as it does have the King of the Highway package. I have never done anything as far as signals go. They are the same as when I first saw the bike in 1979. I guess the first 14 years of this machines life will always be somewhat of a mystery.

[panz4ever]

Since this is a pretty broad thread on 65 pans, I hope gmarkas will not mind a 65-related question?

The windhield for 65 FLH models, can someone confirm please that the top is the "peaked" type as opposed to the "rounded" type.

[T. Cotten]

Panz4ever!

I'm not gmarkas, but the Rider Handbook definitely has a "peaked" one on the cover.

The Factory photos are similar, but not so clear (attached).

....Cotten

[panz4ever]

Thanks Tom. The one that came with my 65 (purchased in 10/70) had the rounded type. It finally gave up the ghost. Figuring on getting the 65 back to stock condition so I will look for a quality replacement that reflects what should have been.

Dave

[paddy]

Dave, I was able to purchase the peaked shield from national cycle last year. I was told that they origionaly supplied them to HD the bottoms came in clear blue and red.Although they did make it in black also.The guys name was Pete he had to go dig for it but he came up with a NOS for me.708-343-0400 national cycle.good luck Paddy

[panz4ever]

Paddy, appreciate the tip. Thanks for the info.

[upsrod]

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[K. Felt]

Anybody know what the progress of the "1965 Panhead Book Project" is, if anything?

[rbenash]

I bought a very nice beaded peaked repro from Bills Custom Cycle in Bloomsburg, PA. He has them up on Ebay when he has them stocked. Might want to give him a call. I had an out of the never opened '66 (rounded) set that I installed on my 65 to correct the hit I was taking during judging.

Also on the mirrors. The handlebar mounted versions are correct up to 1965, after that stem mount. If you look at the stock standoffs for the clutch and brake levers - you will see a single round "welch" on the top where the injection was done. On the 66 and later that is where a hole is molded in and the "welchs" are moved to the edges of the casting.

What a LOT oaf 65 owners did was either drill right at that original welch on the standoff because it was the perfect spot for the stem mount mirrors. Sometimes they would have the dealer do it because they wanted a cleaner look than clamp mounts when the 66 style was introduced.

So "it was like that when I got it" applies, but if you look at you drilled '65 one year only standoffs you should be able to see traces of that single welch area. If they are 66 standoffs then you will see the welch from injection around the edge of the casting.

A '65 book would be a daunting task and would take a team to put it together. I'd help but there's no way I would attempt it on my own.

If you have an actual 1965 copyright parts manual you will see the one year part without the hole in the diagram. Someone has actually posted that here in the past.

On my 65 the flasher was the stock rectangular in the bracket mounted in the headlight. When I got mine the rectangular flasher holder was still there but had a round style replacement shoved in it. I found a rectangular and simply installed that. No one sees it during judging so I wouldn't stress too much about it.

My '65 had the original (broken) horn mount. I installed the retrofit kit (rubber mount) as I didn't want the bracket to break again (yes I ride my 65 retoration :-)) Also I had a defective horn and found a correct low tone delco replacement that was used as stock by the factory. I had the current Harley replacement horn for awhile until I found it. That's the only way to get to the original LOUD sound IMHO. It never gets checked during judging so don't stress it - but I love the stock loud horn that comes for the original Delco.

My TS switch is mounted under the starter button as mentioned above. I'm 99.9% sure that's where it was from original. The wiring for the TS comes out of the bottom, exposed wire as seen in the factory photos/brochures.

Another minor note - no tab on the kickstand, lots of '65 owners changed that out because they liked the tab on the newer shovels. Easy to remove without leaving a trace to keep the one you have and make it stock. The heavy round stock tab/assist is just welded to the end of the original style side stand. Easy to remove (carefully) with a dremel/cutoff. Nice silver paint on the bare end to match the cad. Will keep you from a deduction during judging.

Also note that '65 had a plug in the pump for the chain oiler adjustment - simple screw, nut and brass washer set all the way in/against the pump. You'll get a 1/4 or so if you have the older style. My original 58-68 parts manual shows the difference, drawing shows it slotted, callout says hex :-) I chose to go with slotted, and that's what I see on all the original '65 I've seen.

Mixing the topics up and rejoining the thread since my '65 restoration is at Winners Circle 99.5 points after Oley last year, it's been a long road. Started the restoration 15 years ago :-) I also got the Charles L. Wolverton memorial award at that meet. So apologies for the various topics as I had to deal with these and several other issues along the way regarding judging as well as just getting the bike "correct". I got tons of help here on the forum as well as at meets and talking to other '65 owners. There's a lot of people out there that know Pans in general but '65 is a very strange beast to say the least. Going to go for my last half point this year, missed Oley though.

A '65 only book would be a daunting task IMHO, no way I would attempt it myself. It would be nice to work with a team on one though.

[paddy]

Congratulations!!! All the best!!

[rbenash]

While we touched on horns. The Delco Remy number for the HD 12V horn was/is 96000513. That's the number you should see stamped into the HD original or Delco part if you find one in a yard. It was the "low note" horn of the low/high pair used in cars of the same era. The high not unit was 96000517. Nobody is going to check during judging or ask you to blow the horn so
it won't kill you not to have an original. To me though it's the real deal in terms of sound and getting attention when you need it.

[rbenash]

On another note we all pretty much know about the Guide T3 12V Motorcycle headlamp with the big Triangle/T3 in the center and "motorcycle" along the bottom. I still have one on mine but going to pull it off and use a replacement and save it for show.

But - on the 12v spots, was there something special there? I know the fluting disappears on the 12V but wasn't sure if there was any other special markings on the clear bulbs. I've had some '65 owners tell me there are some lettering or something but they have never been able to show me as they didn't have them on their bikes.

I think headlamp and spot lamps are considered normal wear items. Anyone have the current skinny on that? I figure closest possible repro should suffice. Don't know since
I have original headlamp and what I believe (and was never challenged in judging) are the original spots. I've never been challenged on points during judging on the spots.