early sidecar

[Mr. Big]

Glad you enjoyed it Cory. I've got a couple more videos to edit if I could just get some time to work with them. We've got a good start on it but a lot left to do.

[c.o.]

c.o. , I really wish I could help you on that, but I have nothing good to show you. The rogers and national sidecars had alot of similarities, being made by the same Mfg. Co.
I would guess and this is only a guess, that exeric's photo of the rogers wheel would have to be close, but then again, are we certain it is a rogers? I'm sorry, I really wish I had the correct answer for you. To tell you the truth, I'm a Goulding nut, and that it where my passion lays.

No worries.... an answer will show up eventually..... Thanks for all the effort you've put into this thread. It's greatly appreciated!!

Clyde is being modest. He is the "King" of the Goulding Nuts! We were going to crown him but he'd just swap it for more Goulding stuff.....

Mr. Big! I took a cruise around the man's web-site and I'd have to agree!! Great stuff... I really dig the 1947 Jack Pine video....Great Stuff!!!

[Mr. Big]

Clyde is being modest. He is the "King" of the Goulding Nuts! We were going to crown him but he'd just swap it for more Goulding stuff.....

[Clydeflathead]

early sidecar

c.o. , I really wish I could help you on that, but I have nothing good to show you. The rogers and national sidecars had alot of similarities, being made by the same Mfg. Co.
I would guess and this is only a guess, that exeric's photo of the rogers wheel would have to be close, but then again, are we certain it is a rogers? I'm sorry, I really wish I had the correct answer for you. To tell you the truth, I'm a Goulding nut, and that it where my passion lays.

[c.o.]

Thanks for the Goulding pics!!! This thread has certainly helped me figure out what's what... Are you aware of what National ran for sidecar wheels?

[Clydeflathead]

early sidecar

Here are a few more photos to look over. Goulding Hub, Hubcap and axle, Goulding two level wheel casting, axle, timken bearings, Goulding wheel complete front, Goulding wheel complete rear with dust cover.

[c.o.]

[ATTACH=CONFIG]5580[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]5581[/ATTACH]I reckon you've answered your own question with regards the wheel Cory.
I've attached a couple of photos of a HD sidecar axle. Just remember if you do make one keep the abrupt changes of section to a minimum as these can lead to fractures and breakages.
The stub axle is brazed to the carrier tube at the point where the inner mudguard mount is attached and protrudes a further two or so inches further into the carrier tube for support. Most sidecar wheels I've had anything to do with always have a larger bearing on the inside than that on the outside.
Clyde unless you have a chassis that supports the axle at both ends, eg AJS, you need an axle that is at least 5/8 on the outer end and 3/4 on the inner. In my opinion a parallel axle is a recipe for disaster but Exeric's photos prove that someone had faith in a small parallel axle.

Thank-you for the reference photo and advice Tommo!!! I'll be sure to keep that at hand for when the time comes. I am seriously going to have to make a trip out to that farm in the spring and see what I can round up for other parts!!! What was a common wheel for a sidecar from that era? It looks like I will be loooking for one.

[exeric]

Those are points very well taken Peter. I think Harley Davidson always did things right and made products that could be trusted. I had a later H-D sidecar on my '51 FL and I always had confidence in it's integrity. . . . Even when I shamefully abused it. I agree with you that a full axel would have increased my confidence.

[Tommo]

Eric,
Here's a Goulding axle and an example of the dropped axle Harley-Davidson one.
There are several different HD ones but I think that this will give the general idea as to how beefy they are.
I'm just concerned that someone may try using a front wheel with a 7/16 or 1/2 inch axle and suffer disasterous results.
Its just that the axle in your photo looks very small in diameter.
I'm guilty of doing some horrific stunts in sidecars and know from experience the sort of damage you can do to yourself and your machine.
One of Milwaukee's finest said never again after I'd taken him for a spin in my rig.

[exeric]

Peter, bear in mind that the later H-D LE sidecars had a stub shaft axel similar to the Rogers.

[Tommo]

I thought I had this picture posting sussed and for the life of me I don't know how they ended up at the start rather than the finish. Sorry chaps.
Anyhow here's a couple of examples of AJS chassis with the axle supported at both ends.

[Tommo]

100_0255.jpg100_0254.jpgI reckon you've answered your own question with regards the wheel Cory.
I've attached a couple of photos of a HD sidecar axle. Just remember if you do make one keep the abrupt changes of section to a minimum as these can lead to fractures and breakages.
The stub axle is brazed to the carrier tube at the point where the inner mudguard mount is attached and protrudes a further two or so inches further into the carrier tube for support. Most sidecar wheels I've had anything to do with always have a larger bearing on the inside than that on the outside.
Clyde unless you have a chassis that supports the axle at both ends, eg AJS, you need an axle that is at least 5/8 on the outer end and 3/4 on the inner. In my opinion a parallel axle is a recipe for disaster but Exeric's photos prove that someone had faith in a small parallel axle.

[c.o.]

Eric, thanks for the photos. They put things in perspective. I'm pretty sure I've got another rear wheel.

The grease cup has me wondering on the mystery wheel. Have any of you fellas ever seen one like it?

Thanks again for all the input. I'll agree with Clydeflathead, this has been a fun thread!!!

[c.o.]

Most if not all of the sidecars produced during the period we are discussing had adjustable track, that is the ability to move the sidecar axle in or out to suit the spacing of the wheel ruts you encountered.
Hence the clamping style of axle mount you have on your chassis Cory.
To enable this the mudguard/fender had to be mounted on the axle and not on the chassis and because of this the axle assembly had to be quite strong.
As well as supporting the mudguard it had to be strong enough to support the whole weight of the rig as it's outside end is totally unsupported.
Looking at your wheel Cory I doubt if the axle in that is much more than 1/2 inch and there's no way that would hold a sidecar up with one end unsupported.
There's more chance that the wheel is right for the Indian than there is for it fitting the sidecar.
I've got a HD sidecar axle that I'll photograph and post a picture of so you'll get a better idea of what I'm talking about.

Your insight is always appreciated Tommo. Thank-you.

[c.o.]

And tommo, you'll probably think I'm nuts ( I am, it's no secret )
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Well that makes two of us then.......

I put a little elbow grease into this wheel tonight... (not that much as it should be much cleaner) and I'm starting to think that I've got a rear wheel here.

Here's the front hub on the Powerplus. It's much smaller than the mystery wheel.



Here are a couple shots of the rear hub on the Indian.





Here are a couple of pics of the wheel somewhat cleaned up (the mud after 90 odd years is like concrete!!) Sorry it looks like the flash blurred things a little. It measures exactly the same diameter as the Powerplus rear wheel.





Here are a few of a dust cover.... Made in Canada!!! Now I don't know if they are necessarily original to the wheel. I can't recall offhand when the factory in Toronto closed it's doors.





This one is a little clearer pic of the back of the axle to better illustrate the machined slot. (I guess not really much clearer... I gotta get the flash thing figured out!!!)



What do you folks think???