early sidecar

[Ken Lee]

Hello Juha , that looks a good project . Best of luck with it , what's the bike look like ?? how about some pics of that too .
Here are some pics of my '16 Excelsior with the sidecar (shown earlier) goes and handles great BUT doesn't stop
too well .
Also pics of it fitted to my 1917 Indian Powerplus which it is currently on and with the special Powerplus sidecar fittings that came with the sidecar ! Which being on the left takes a very twisted route up and over the chain guard to the bottom fitting on the bike . Also handles well and my sweetheart loves em both .ExcelsiorSidecar 001 (2) - Copy - Copy.jpgExcelsiorSidecar 004 (13).jpgExcelsiorSidecar 009 (9).jpgIMG_4206.jpgIMG_2329.JPG

[Juha_Lahtinen]

Hi I am new .. I would like to add just few pictures from my harley sidecar 1918 model 18QB where is letters In own order20181124_123903.jpg20181124_123903.jpg20181124_124919.jpg

[WebKahuna]

I think that at some point within the last year or so that somebody posted a pretty good tutorial on photo posting. Having said that, I can't seem to find it. You've got me interested now though so check your private messages.....

Here's an old one
http://www.antiquemotorcycle.org/bbo...icture+posting

Here's another that may help
http://www.antiquemotorcycle.org/bbo...ht=post+photos

[c.o.]

I think that at some point within the last year or so that somebody posted a pretty good tutorial on photo posting. Having said that, I can't seem to find it. You've got me interested now though so check your private messages.....

[Spacke2speed]

Cory
I actually enjoyed responding with the Rodger Sidecar information. It has been a while since I looked through it. The hard part was finding my zip lock bag with it all in.
What I have is a replay from Rodgers about an inquiry from a person interested in a Rodgers sidecar in 1918. It also appears that the person also collected more information later as it include a range of years.
It also may help other people also.
I am sorry I do not know how to include/attach picture to this forum thing to help give you a visual answer.
Spacke2speed

[c.o.]

C.O.
I am not going to comment on your Indian as there already is a lot of Indian knowledge out there. But it does raise some interesting questions.
I am not going to comment on you sidecar tub as there already is a lot of knowledge out there.
Now on your sidecar frame, that is another matter. We are assuming that your sidecar frame is a Rogers because of the ball clamp mounting method. Your Rogers sidecar frame is for a rigid motorcycle frame. Per the Roger’s Parts List No.4 (effective Sept. 1st , 1916), Rogers made a Special Frame No 6200 for the swingarm Indians. The Roger Parts List No. 4 shows illustration of their Model H sidecar frames, which does not look like your frame. The Model E Chassis (1912-1914) does not look like you frame. They also list a Model S, L (Van), R Chassis, but shows no illustration of them. The Model R Chassis for R.F.D. outfits have a special extension axle.
Your frame has the extension axle. Per the Roger’s Supplement No. 1 to Part List No. 4, Rodger listed the Model M and M-U Chassis listed an M-1 which appears to be for non ridged frame motorcycles. Supplement No. 1 has illustrations of the Rodger new design chassis Model M, M-1, and M-U, none of which match your frame. It also list tailor make frames with extension shafts for eight of the major motorcycle manufactures, but does not have illustrations of them.
Per the Roger’s Parts List No. 6 (Effective June 1st 1920), Rogers list a separate front and rear springs, which you do have. Stated in the Roger’s Parts List No. 6, the 1918 and earlier frames use one piece leaf spring with two leaf throughout that are 1 ½ wide or if 1 ¼ wide, an extra leaf was added to the rear curl, which yours frame has separate front and rear springs.
The Roger’s Parts List No. 6 show an illustration of the Roger’s Aristocrat sidecar setup, but that frame is different than yours. The catalog does not show the standard Roger’s sidecar frame offered in that time period.
The bracing up to the upper mounting, normal located under the seat, is the method used on the 1912-1914 Model E layouts, the H and later layouts were mounted on the rear frame/axle tubing, using a different type of tube clamp.
I am sorry that I was not able to pin down the year of your Roger sidecar frame based on the information I have. I was only able to eliminate some Models and some years. Hopefully some of this was helpfully to you.
Spacke2speed

Spacke2speed,

Thank-you for the effort that it took to search through all that info. I am no longer the owner but hopefully it will beneficial to the current caretaker?

[c.o.]

Does anyone have access to the photos that Clydeflathead posted on this thread? The links no longer work and I believe I heard that the gentleman has passed. I now have the sidecar that is the subject of this thread, if anyone saved or has access to the photos I would really appreciate seeing them.

Thanks,
Kevin

Kevin,

I dug around the computer and found this one. It's of later vintage but was one of the images posted by Clydeflathead.

[Spacke2speed]

C.O.
I am not going to comment on your Indian as there already is a lot of Indian knowledge out there. But it does raise some interesting questions.
I am not going to comment on you sidecar tub as there already is a lot of knowledge out there.
Now on your sidecar frame, that is another matter. We are assuming that your sidecar frame is a Rogers because of the ball clamp mounting method. Your Rogers sidecar frame is for a rigid motorcycle frame. Per the Roger’s Parts List No.4 (effective Sept. 1st , 1916), Rogers made a Special Frame No 6200 for the swingarm Indians. The Roger Parts List No. 4 shows illustration of their Model H sidecar frames, which does not look like your frame. The Model E Chassis (1912-1914) does not look like you frame. They also list a Model S, L (Van), R Chassis, but shows no illustration of them. The Model R Chassis for R.F.D. outfits have a special extension axle.
Your frame has the extension axle. Per the Roger’s Supplement No. 1 to Part List No. 4, Rodger listed the Model M and M-U Chassis listed an M-1 which appears to be for non ridged frame motorcycles. Supplement No. 1 has illustrations of the Rodger new design chassis Model M, M-1, and M-U, none of which match your frame. It also list tailor make frames with extension shafts for eight of the major motorcycle manufactures, but does not have illustrations of them.
Per the Roger’s Parts List No. 6 (Effective June 1st 1920), Rogers list a separate front and rear springs, which you do have. Stated in the Roger’s Parts List No. 6, the 1918 and earlier frames use one piece leaf spring with two leaf throughout that are 1 ½ wide or if 1 ¼ wide, an extra leaf was added to the rear curl, which yours frame has separate front and rear springs.
The Roger’s Parts List No. 6 show an illustration of the Roger’s Aristocrat sidecar setup, but that frame is different than yours. The catalog does not show the standard Roger’s sidecar frame offered in that time period.
The bracing up to the upper mounting, normal located under the seat, is the method used on the 1912-1914 Model E layouts, the H and later layouts were mounted on the rear frame/axle tubing, using a different type of tube clamp.
I am sorry that I was not able to pin down the year of your Roger sidecar frame based on the information I have. I was only able to eliminate some Models and some years. Hopefully some of this was helpfully to you.
Spacke2speed

[Shaky Jake]

Does anyone have access to the photos that Clydeflathead posted on this thread? The links no longer work and I believe I heard that the gentleman has passed. I now have the sidecar that is the subject of this thread, if anyone saved or has access to the photos I would really appreciate seeing them.

Thanks,
Kevin

[c.o.]

1EZRIDER here's that Rogers you were looking for.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[silentgreyfello]

This one just showed up on eBay.

1914 HD w/ Rogers hack. You can see the two-speed shifter on the top of the tank.

[Chris Haynes]

This one just showed up on eBay.

[c.o.]

Chuck! I'm in complete agreement on that zany kid picture. Winter is definitely rearing it's ugly head. As for the rap music I think we can safely say those kids in the pic are rap free.... thank goodness!!!

[Chuck#1848]

Hey Cory,

Seeing those young and zany kids with the sidecar rig on the beach especially on a cold and snowy day like today really warms ya up....I just hope their not playing rap music...

[c.o.]

Look at that Chuck, mention pictures and Chris is on it!! I always like to see that wicker chair, it's such a dignified rig!

Gary, rain? Nope just more snow. It's still flying out there. I'm a gonna make sure it's clear by the door tonight so as to insure an escape route tomorrow!!!