early sidecar

[Tommo]

And 1917 and 1919 Rogers adverts

[Tommo]

Here's some 1919 National Stuff

[c.o.]

Clydeflathead, your efforts and research regarding my sidecar are greatly appreciated. The latest attachment has me 100% convinced that you have correctly identified the hack. When I went to pick up the Powerplus, I went only knowing that it came with an old sidecar. The previous owner was under the assumption that it was a Rogers. I didn't know for sure and that is why I asked on this board. It never ceases to amaze me on how much can be learned here. Do you folks down south see such hacks showing up at meets? Later today I'll get some better photos of the wheel posted for a possible ID. I have no idea whether it really belongs to the hack or not. It was found in a seperate out building under a pile of other treasures on the farm.

[pisten-bully]

Was this the same Ralph Rogers who bought Indian in 1945?

[Clydeflathead]

early sidecar

Mr. Othen, I realize this is just an artist's rendition, but it is the only front view of a National sidecar I have. This is a flyer from Feb. 1922. You can see the body front
in the upper right corner of this flyer. I believe your hack is all National, although your
wheel has me stumped. This is really very interesting sidecar history, as National Dairy or Hastings Mfg. ( the same company owned by the Hasting Father and son combo) had
a hand in the production of the Rogers,National, and Goulding sidecars. This flyer also
shows the early Goulding chassis (the model G ) Why they fell out of favor with Mr. Rogers and later Mr. Goulding caused the demise of their business. Creditors took over Hastings Mfg. in April 1922, Hastings Mfg. was sold May 14th. 1924, and officially done in
on May 17th. 1924. Of course Rogers went on to produce his sidecar in Chicago,Ill. Mr Goulding went on to produce his sidecar in Milwaukee, Wis. later moving to Saginaw, Mich. in 1926.

[c.o.]

Eric, I think you fellas have me convinced......... The old hack needs a little work and I just may hang it off the Powerplus when it's all sorted out.... Thanks again to everyone for all their input. Clyde it looks like you've solved my mystery!!!

[exeric]

Cory, I think the body is a good match to the picture that Clyde posted. I thought it was Harley at first but I now believe it's all National.

[c.o.]

Clyde!!! Thank-you for taking the time to help identify the hack. I can't tell from your picture but would the consensus still be that the body is Harley? I've yet to find a picture that quite matches the nose on that tub. The body does look similar from the side view but I'm curious as to what a National hack looks like from the front... I'll have to do some digging.......

[Mr. Big]

I think it's "baloney"......Ha!

[exeric]

I think you're absolutely right Clyde. Very interesting historical connection with Rogers.

[Clydeflathead]

early sidecar

My guess on this would be, it is a National sidecar. National sidecars were manufactured
By The National Dairy Machine Company of Goshen Indiana. Their claim to fame was
Producing Cream Separators for the dairy industry, when Ralph Rogers strolled in to their
Plant with a proposition for them to make the Rogers Sidecar, which they did for several years, unit a disagreement led Rogers to make his sidecars in Chicago. National Dairy
Continued to make sidecars under the National name, their claim to fame being the Vibrasorber chassis, sometime in that era changing their name to the Hastings Mfg. Co.On May 27th. 1920 they were granted rights from James Goulding to produce His
Patented chassis, which they called the National model G chassis, they also produced
The V chassis with the patented Vibrasorber along with Four body styles, The Touring, The Junior, The Meteor, and The Delivery. The Hastings Mfg. Co. fell out of favor with
Mr. Goulding as well and the Goulding rights were terminated Oct. 12th. 1921. Mr. Goulding went on to produce his sidecars in Milwaukee, and Hastings Mfg. Co. went out
Of business soon after. I have included photos of C.O.’s sidecar and the National sidecar for comparison. They look like a dead ringer to me. The date would be about 1916-1917.
Does this sound right to you guys or am I full of bologna.

[c.o.]

That's where it went!!! Good luck on your hunt!

[marsh1915hd]

That old Harley is just down the street. The man that put my gas line in last year know where there is a bike in the basement. He says he can't remember. He not a bullshiter guy. Says it looks just like my J's. It's only about a mile away, I been looking.

[c.o.]

Hey Cory,

This has been coming up from time to time never gave it a thought but the nose looks a bit similar to yours,the ad says this body still has it's id tag

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/cs...967134192.html

Thanks Chuck that does look somewhat familiar...

Marsh1915hd nailed the tub as early J era Harley. The frame looks like Rogers to me. I have a friend that has a Rogers car and I just recently took a close look at it. His frame uses the 'ball and socket clamp' as seen in the pictures. Also, the springs and checks straps look identical.

Thanks Eric!!! I'm confident now on what is sitting here. Now it's only got me wondering.... where is that Harley buried in that barn???

[exeric]

Marsh1915hd nailed the tub as early J era Harley. The frame looks like Rogers to me. I have a friend that has a Rogers car and I just recently took a close look at it. His frame uses the 'ball and socket clamp' as seen in the pictures. Also, the springs and checks straps look identical.