H-D Production IoE V-twins 1909-1929

[MMasa]

Sorry for getting to the party so late.
A few pages back Tom was asking about JD vs VL transmissions. Tommo is right that an easy tell are the mounts for the inner primary cover. There are 1 or 2 year VLs that don't have them and they are also sometimes cut off and the edge ground down to the point where it isn't obvious that they were ever there. In that case another tell is the position of the lug on the underside for the adjustment bolt. On J models it is inward of the kicker cover mounting face. On VLs it is to the right about 1/2" to 3/4".
Mark

[MMasa]

JDL

Alan
What specifically do you want to know about a JDL?
Mark

[Rubone]

1913 sales order form. Note they are still using the number designation on these, nine being the ninth year of production since the first '04 models.

[Rubone]

By 1916 the designations had changed and many more options were available.

[knucklehead 61]

1914 sales order form. Note they are still using the number designation on these, nine being the ninth year of production since the first '05 models.

that is a 1913 order form as I used to own a model model 9-E.
very cool!

[Steve Swan]

Thanks for your fine posts, guys ! I've been reading Wagner's "Classic Harley-Davidson, 1903-1941." Good stuff

[Rubone]

A couple more..

[Rubone]

[Rubone]

1926

[Steve Swan]

Robbie, thank you so much for sharing these ! i just snagged this picture off the internet; i thought it's really cool and apropos to the thread. Belt driven "double," can we tell from the picture what year?

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[exeric]

First off, thank you Robbie for posting the order blanks. Most striking to me is the last year, 1922 WJ Sport model @ $340.00 for the full electric; and 1 year later, the top-of-the-line 1923 full electric JD is $10 cheaper @ $230.00. The Sport is a sad footnote in H-D history because that was a bike that should have survived. Obviously, sales were low for the Sport, but I think it was a bike that came at a bad time, and maybe wasn't marketed right. . . Could'a, should'a, would'a; the motorcycle world is full of brilliant motorcycles that didn't survive.

[T. Cotten]

Robbie, thank you so much for sharing these ! i just snagged this picture off the internet; i thought it's really cool and apropos to the thread. Belt driven "double," can we tell from the picture what year?

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I don't know the year, Steve,...

...But I would call it an aftermarket accessory.

....Cotten

[TechNoir]

OK, seeing that we seem to have moved on from the early teens to the early twenties in short order I will upload some pages from an original 1920 UK export brochure that I have.

Apart from prices being in pounds, the other obvious differences between standard USA spec and UK spec are a different sidecar was offered in the UK. A UK made item, I guess because of cost. Also, as has been mentioned before, the "front" brake was standard in the UK due to the UK law compelling a bike to have 2 separate brakes. And lastly a front stand was standard over here. The last picture is of the spec sheet for the bikes.

Apart from that I believe the rest of the specs are the same as the USA bikes.

I have also listed a couple of items relating to the horizontally opposed engine which in theory is a 180 degree "Vee" twin but is not IoE but instead a side vale with "superheated" manifold. I figure it might be of interest even if not strictly correct for this thread.

There is a slip of paper with the prices of extras stuck inside the front cover which I thought would be of interest.












If the pictures are not big enough to see I can re-post them at a higher resolution.

John

[Steve Swan]

I don't know the year, Steve,...

...But I would call it an aftermarket accessory.

....Cotten

Great picture Tom !

[Steve Swan]

ok ! here's more pictures i've snagged of the 'net.

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