1914 racing yardlong limited copies now available

[Barry Brown]

Great idea Chris. The photo was probably taken for the Milwaukee journal so a newspaper magnate like Hearst probably owned the rights, Should i just send a cheque to the residents of Hearst castle ? Ever been there? Maybe it would be a good venue for an AMCA meet.
I did a lot of dealing with a great character from Kenosha, an AMCA member since 1954 and a prolific collector ( had over 300 bikes at one time) John Giorno. I would always try to beat him down on prices
never with much success,which is another aspect of American capitalism , right??? His response on one occasion made me laugh " we don't deal with poor people" Since you are such a benevolent philanthropist yourself why not
buy one of my prints and get as many copies as you want made at Kinko and pass them out . Forget it, I don't deal with poor people. Greed is good!

[Chris Haynes]

If there are 10 fools out there who pay you $1,500.00 each for your copys you will have made $15,000.00. About $14,900.00 of that would be clear profit. You can't deduct the price you paid for the original because you are keeping that.

[Barry Brown]

you are right Chris. I should have charged $15,000 each. That would give me enough profit to put a down payment on the Crocker I sold too cheaply years ago .
You are quite the little working class spokesman hero chris. maybe you should run for the communist party.

[Mr. Big]

[Barry Brown]

come to think of it I should have charged more because that damn American dollar is in the toilet. About 5 years ago our dollar was as low as 60 cents to yours which would have meant over 20,000 profit!
. walking around Hershey last week all I could hear were foreign accents as buyers from all over the place were scooping up cars and filling containers.
that's what has driven the price of knuckleheads through the roof, Chris, no need to be bitter , drink more saki and chill out It's Oriental demand. why not move to the Orient , maybe they like complainers over there!
on the subject of fools , there has never been a shortage, you must know the one about the 2 fools who met over a bike deal!

[Barry Brown]

here's a cool "yardlong" very good detail however it is shot with a panoramic camera unlike my racing photo so has the inevitable few blurs where faces moved. it also has the common screw up
which I think would reveal an amateur photographer in that the subjects were lined up in a straight line rather than a curve resulting in the riders on the ends appearing further away. There are 68 Harleys in this photo.
I had it professionally framed 20 years ago . no racers, no Bob Perry, no Gene Walker , no pro photography, no Cyclone see the difference??? $300 plus shipping ( real glass not plastic)
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[Barry Brown]

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[Barry Brown]

I have many more bargain priced yardlongs but the price of the crown jewel of all yardlong reprints is still $1500 despite the pathetic clamoring of the disenfranchised masses .

[Chris Haynes]

If I remember correctly there was someone selling those copy prints at either Davenport or Wauseon years ago. He had the original there and the difference in quality was amazing. On the original you could actually read what it said in the rectangular box and as you can see you can't in the copy.

[Barry Brown]

you have finally said something that makes sense! you hit on the difference between a professional copy and a run of the mill one. that combined with the original quality and subject matter
and consultation with others in the business and potential buyers were what lead me to my price. the first 2 buyers are very happy with their copies and neither of them are fools
IF I sell all 10 my profit will be substantially less than your math would imply. if you read back through the thread you will see that I purchased this from my friend only recently and believe me
he does not need any money and did not want to let it go. my after tax profit ( Canadian taxes !) will be about $5500 IF I sell all 10 which is doubtful but I don't really care as part of the objective was to maintain
a degree of exclusivity unlike J&P 's or Walneck's prints. If someone can't afford it well that's tough . c'est la vie.

[Mr. Big]

Barry, who are you trying to convince? After numerous posts, we get that you think you're price is justified.

[exeric]

Barry, who are you trying to convince? After numerous posts, we get that you think you're price is justified.

I don't think Barry was trying to justify his pricing as much as he was trying to defend himself against a pointless, and mean spirited attack.

[Mr. Big]

I don't think Barry was trying to justify his pricing as much as he was trying to defend himself against a pointless, and mean spirited attack.

Pointless? I would not call a spirited discussion pointless. Mean? Barry certainly seems to be taking it in stride except when he called the responders ass***es and then thought better of it and deleted it. Thank you for that Barry. I'm sure we have reached the point where we just agree to disagree.

[exeric]

It's not the discussion that's pointless, it's the initial attack that was pointless and mean. Also, you will see who threw out the first invective and did not retract. Look; if you don't like the price of something, just grunt, or nod, and move on. That's just civilized behavior in the business world. However, if the guy has a gun to your head and demands a high price; you have a valid point.

[Chris Haynes]

you have finally said something that makes sense! you hit on the difference between a professional copy and a run of the mill one. that combined with the original quality and subject matter
and consultation with others in the business and potential buyers were what lead me to my price. the first 2 buyers are very happy with their copies and neither of them are fools
IF I sell all 10 my profit will be substantially less than your math would imply. if you read back through the thread you will see that I purchased this from my friend only recently and believe me
he does not need any money and did not want to let it go. my after tax profit ( Canadian taxes !) will be about $5500 IF I sell all 10 which is doubtful but I don't really care as part of the objective was to maintain
a degree of exclusivity unlike J&P 's or Walneck's prints. If someone can't afford it well that's tough . c'est la vie.

I am sorry to once again disagree with you Barry. It costs no more to make an excellent copy than a lousy copy. I have had many copy negs made of my 8 x 10 factory photos. About $30.00 for an 8 x 10 negative and $12.00 each for 8 X 10 contact prints. The negatives are big and the print is the same size as the negative so there is distortion or grain in it. The yard long you pictured was done poorly and the customer who had them done accepted them and passed them on to the public. I bought one even though the quality was mediocre. I have sent many prints back to the lab to have them print them correctly. They have no reservations about doing it right. I would like to see you make high quality prints and sell them at a price that most could afford. Instead of being greedy and asking $1,500.00 for 10 copies if you sold 150 of them for $100.00 each you would still have your $15,000.00 and 150 collectors would have a nice piece of wall art.
Your statement "If someone can't afford it well that's tough . c'est la vie." shows your attitude toward your fellow collectors and that is indeed a sad thing.