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  • Our Club's Direction

    After reading posts by Pete Reeves and other members, and learning of recent decisions of the AMCA Board, I felt compelled to post this note. For the life of me, I fail to understand the direction that our great club is going in. At the Eustis meet, I learned several things that caused me great concern. Confirmed by Minutes of a Board Meeting printed in our club magazine two issues ago, I learned our club has hired a Lakeland, FL attorney at the rate of $21,000.00 annually. There was no mention as to why the Board felt the need to retain an attorney. Did the Board consult several attorneys prior to hiring the one they did, or was he found through the "good old boy network"? What legal matters could we possibly have that warrant spending $21,000.00 on an attorney? As far as I know, the club is not involved in any pending litigation. If the purpose was to hire an attorney to oversee our corporate matters, one could easily be hired on an as-needed basis at the rate of $175.00 per hour. If the Board feels they are heading in a direction that warrants having an attorney on retainer, then maybe they shouldn't be heading in that direction.

    A second concern for me is the trust fund the Board has recently set up, and the new Board they have created to overlook this fund. It was explained to me by a Board Member that this fund has been set up purely so we can provide grants. To whom are we providing these grants and for what purpose? While I may have misunderstood him, I find it quite disturbing that the club sometimes struggles to provide services to its current members, but yet has now set up a new Board to provide grants. The new Board, what will their duties be? Will they have meetings, and if so how often and will their travel expenses be paid for to attend those meetings? Can their business be conducted via email or telephone conferencing to save the club money rather than paying for travel accommodations? These are questions club members have a right to have answered, before the decision is made to simply set up an entire new Board.

    Rocky Halter has recently taken over as President, but it is my understanding is that he will only serve until his current term expires. The Board has got to address the question as to why its members do not have the ability to elect its Officers or Directors by majority vote. The current practice of the Board electing whomever it chooses to elect, without an ounce of care for who its members want elected, should end with Rocky's term. The only hope this club has of successfully continuing another 50 years is if its members feel they are being clearly informed of club practices, and their voices are being heard. This is not a dictatorship here, and any other method of running this club only leads to rumor and inneuendo, and I fear in the end will tear this club apart. The opinion of each and every member of this club is valuable. We should all be kept abreast of the direction our club is taking, with open communication and a clear plan for the future; a plan which has been determined by majority rule.

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    "Our Club"??

    Reading the recent posts regarding the status of the Club, and the direction it is-(or seems?)to be heading, is disturbing at best. What really bothers me, and apparently most everyone else posting here, is that who-ever or what-ever is left of our leadership, doesn't step-up and clear the air. The longer we go with-out facts directly from our Board, the more the rumors are going to fly. I believe the officials of the Club should use this forum to keep us informed, and I would think they would at least read the posts here from time to time, just to get an idea of what the members are thinking. Obviously the days of this club being an informal group of a few guys that all know each other, are long past, and with the amount of business taking place, getting our news only from the magazine four times a year doesn't cut it anymore. By the time we get the magazine the "news" is already history. I'm going to try to contact someone on the Board via e-mail, and suggest they come on the forum and put the rumors to bed, maybe others should do the same. It's been a great club, hope it stays that way.
    Doug.
    Doug McLaughlin #6607
    NorCal, USA

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    • #3
      Museum Disclosure?

      While on the subject of disclosure....... How much is the club going to be on the hook for concerning the "museum" There's "chatter" of a nice sized, six figured balloon note due a few years down the road to the museum???? What percentage of the membership do they hope will visit? Do they actually think admission will cover costs?
      JU

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      • #4
        I am sure Rocky will guide us (The Club) in the most positive direction possible! As well as all others on the board! I am truely sorry to see Pete leave, but I am sure there is a good reason,good people just dont leave for nothing and I am also sure in good time we all will be enlightend!
        Maybe it is time for a few changes in how things are run,but there again lets see whats going on,not jump the gun and give everyone a chance to "air their linen" Enough said !

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        • #5
          You know, if we find out that the board plans to allocate our money to help homeless puppies, or cure chronic body odor we're all going to feel very foolish. Unfortunately I don't think this is the case. There's something going on and I think this lack of communication from the Mt. Olympus of the AMCA is due to damage control. Someone screwed this all up and now they have to answer for it, or have to think of a good way to placate the masses. Regardless of what this is all about, I think everyone would agree this is NOT how you present a new re-organizational concept to the dues paying members. Personally, I'm upset by the arrogance and obvious contempt Pete Gagan and crew have for the members of this club. Even if this thing is a good thing, this is a bad way to do business and has created mistrust and doubt within the rank and file of the venerable AMCA.
          Eric Smith
          AMCA #886

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          • #6
            I purposely did not post any comments on this thread or the other thread , Keeping The Membership Informed, in order to give one or more of the board members the opportunity to address the concerns in both threads. However, at this time it does not appear that any of the board will reply so I will spout my two cents worth (and believe me, I have a lot of 2-pence coins).

            At the Chapter Presidents' Meeting at Davenport which I attended the topic of the "Foundation" was briefly discussed. The spin-off, for lack of a better word, appears to relate to the Non-Profit status - what is referred to in the Internal Revenue code as 501(c)3 tax exempt status - that was requested by the National AMCA on behalf of all local chapters as part of the incorporation of each and every AMC chapter. I won't get into why it was mandated that every AMC local chapter had to be incorporated but it relates (I believe) to insurance liability at the local level transferring to the National AMCA.

            To make a long story shorter, the request for local chapter 501(c)3 status was denied by the IRS on the grounds that a 501(c)3 organization, as part of their grounds for existing, is devoted to the education of the public. Though some us may argue the point, the reality of the situation (which is how the IRS sees it) is that we are a sort of brotherhood that gets together to enjoy our hobby (and spend all our money but that is another subject). Accordingly we (local chapters) were accorded non-profit status as a 501(c)7 org.

            What is the difference? Primarily that a 501(c)3 org can accept tax-free donations and those donations are tax-deductible to the person (or co. or other org., etc.) who gives the gift. In a 501(c)7 org., you can accept the gift but the person giving gets only a thank-you (or a hug or kiss if you are that type).

            So, as part of this IRS ruling, it was determined (as I understand it) that this also applies to the National. So, the determination was made to separate the AMCA club into 2 entities, one of which was the club as we know it and the other being the establishment of an AMCA Foundation to accept donations and give out grants to the "needy" (and establish this heralded museum).

            How this affect us individually as members or even at the the local chapter level, one of which (Catawba Valley) I am President of, is affected on a day-top-day basis I do not know. Speaking for myself, I do not expect to see much difference, operationally speaking. On a broader scale, I just do not know. But we must understand that an AMCA foundation cannot stand alone without cash infusions. Either it receives a percentage of the cut of the dues paid to the National or generates its own revenue (admission to this museum, sales of goodies, etc.) or receives tax-deductible donations or a combination of the above. I does concern me that with two separate boards and their associated expenses coming from the same "kitty" that our annual dues will be diluted as a result.

            Let me go on record as stating that I do not believe that there is any skull-duggery going on with the intention to rob any of us. However, the lack of communication from the Board is striking in its disregard for the membership - not just those of us who post on this Forum but those who do not.

            I believe that the retained lawyer is Raymond Dhue, for those interested, who is a nice guy - we send our year-end chapter financials to him and he consolidates them for our IRS filing so us local chapters do not have to file individually. He is also the one who did the legwork on the local chapter incorporation.

            Thanks and if anyone else can shed further light on this, please post your reply accordingly.

            Regards,
            Lonnie C from SC
            Lonnie Campbell #9908
            South Cackalackey, U.S. of A.

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            • #7
              You present some logical points Lonnie, and one can see the merits (possibly) of doing this. However, this is one of the worst enactments of a policy change I have ever seen. I will repeat myself here, this is the most arrogant, and contemptuous disregard for the AMCA membership I have seen to date. Even if this thing proves to be good for the club I think Pete Gagan and those responsible and party to this have proven they are not fit to run this club. You cannot have an organization (with integrity) that does business in secret. This club belongs to the members, not a few self elected individuals.
              Eric Smith
              AMCA #886

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              • #8
                Well I know no more about whats going on thanI did when this post started,nor will i go or buy into any WITCH HUNT at this point!Maybe after the facts are known I will be less positive! I must say it would be nice to hear from Mr Gagan,or someone that knows whats going on here. That being said Ill sit here and wait for answers,maybe make a few phone calls dig up a little info,but again Im not going to make up my mind one way or another till I hear "nothing but the facts " All of you have a great day and smile !

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                • #9
                  To all you people who are making a big fuss and stirring the pot, I offer to reimburse your membership dues and give your membership to someone who will appreciate it. It is a measly $30, that gets you 4 issues of the one of the greatest publications on the market today, plus free advertising and access to the meets all over the country and in Europe. My son is listed on the board of directors, but he has been appointed to this position and thus cannot vote on issues, we do not know any more than the rest of the membership about these issues, but trust our leaders to make the right decisions in leading our club, now and in the future.
                  Carl
                  http://www.carlscyclesupply.com

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                  • #10
                    The last 3 posts are well spoken. I suspect a responce by the leadership will come very soon now. I suggest that responce be posted here on this forum and the home page of the national website as well. Let us hope the concerns of the masses will be heard and addressed in a reasonable time frame . Paps

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                    • #11
                      I'm reserving my opinions until I hear from the 'higher-ups' in the club. I don't know these people personally but I like to think that they're honest and are working in the best interest of the club. I understand that the Board has the right to make decisions on behalf of the club membership for the general running of the club's business. That's the way it works....

                      BUT...things like the purchase of a motorcycle (Torgue-Four) and now a possible new Foundation??..utilizing Club funds??...should really be discussed in depth and voted 'yes' or 'no' by ballot. A short paragraph after the fact in the Club's magazine is not enough. Not when we have this Club website/Forum (and have had this website for a few years now) should we have to wait so long for too little information too late.

                      I'm hoping the Board will chime in here real soon. Hrdly

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                      • #12
                        Carl, that's the kind of remark that pisses people off. Every member of the AMCA has a stake in the club's future and direction. The funds of the club belong to all the Members and they have a collective say as to how the funds should be spent.

                        $30.00 x thousands of members = A LOT OF MONEY that can easily be mis-spent on even the best of intentions. Hrdly

                        Originally posted by Carl Olsen View Post
                        To all you people who are making a big fuss and stirring the pot, I offer to reimburse your membership dues and give your membership to someone who will appreciate it. It is a measly $30, that gets you 4 issues of the one of the greatest publications on the market today, plus free advertising and access to the meets all over the country and in Europe. My son is listed on the board of directors, but he has been appointed to this position and thus cannot vote on issues, we do not know any more than the rest of the membership about these issues, but trust our leaders to make the right decisions in leading our club, now and in the future.
                        Carl

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                        • #13
                          Hey Carl,
                          I'm going thru the roster gathering a few membership numbers to send you. Do you need their names or will numbers alone work for this deal ? Lets all lighten up a bit. Lots of questions and concerns which will be addressed at some point for sure.
                          Johnny Whitsett
                          AMCA # 8626

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hrdly-Dangrs View Post
                            BUT...things like the purchase of a motorcycle (Torgue-Four) and now a possible new Foundation??..utilizing Club funds??...should really be discussed in depth and voted 'yes' or 'no' by ballot. A short paragraph after the fact in the Club's magazine is not enough. Not when we have this Club website/Forum (and have had this website for a few years now) should we have to wait so long for too little information too late.

                            I'm hoping the Board will chime in here real soon. Hrdly
                            This is how I feel. Well put. As a member if we had the option to vote on club ideas I would not have voted to buy the Torque Four or on the Musuem. I think there are enough good musuems without us getting involved, on the other hand I feel a good library that we could all access would serve the club much better. I hope the board is taking this all in. Its our club not theirs.

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                            • #15
                              Carl, this isn't your club, or Pete Gagan's club, or my club. This is OUR club and the issue is communication, or should I say the lack of it. This pot is being stirred by the few people who have seen fit to exclude the 10,000 plus members of this club in an important decision. I'm more than happy to put my trust in someone with good ideas and the tenacity to see it through, but a good leader sets a coarse for specific (and communicated) goals. I am not condeming what little I know of this structural organizational change. I'm more than willing to be open minded about the proposal. What jerks my chain is the secrecy and non-communication.
                              Eric Smith
                              AMCA #886

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