clear gel in carb bowl?

[Paps]

My state, at least my county, tests for the same thing only, also, Cotten. Why make the convertors out of titanium ? I had an apparently plugged convertor burn my carpet up in an Impala once. Floorboard was consumed too. Paps

[T. Cotten]

Paps!

I know zilch about converters (other than vehicles run great without them). But its typical for metals such as platinum, titanium, etc. to to be the basis for gaseous catalysts.

Until someone captures some of this elusive "gel" and studies it for us, we are flatulating without illumination.

...Cotten

[Paps]

I agree. But ??? Titanium is used because of its corosive resitance. It can handle the remnents of the fuel deposits. The dumpster divers around here scrap automobiles just for the convertors. They get more for a convertor than they do the rest of the vehicle. The rumor I mentioned has zero weight due to the lack of proof. Food for thought is all it's worth. Very interesting how it adds up, yet there is no proof. Material used in the tooling, just for the capture of waste by products, fits the glove of doubt. Isn't it odd how lead was removed from fuel before the converter was incorporated ? Lead was the main reasoning for the pcv valve and return cycling of emissions back in the 70s. Total reburning of emissions came about with the introduction of the convertor. All evidence is circumstantial surrounding this rumor. But ??? Some people have been put to death, based solely on circumstancial evidence alone. Investigating the chemical properties of fuel, incorporates the laboratories, designated crediable, by the very same people who put the emissions rules into place. Layman research will have a circle to run. The beginning is provided, again by the people who implemented the regs. The path is 360 degrees. Right back to where it started from. Still....it is all just rumor. Swelled o-rings, melted diaphrams, other desolved fuel system components, removal of lead from fuel, convertors, all just a rumor. Without facts and documentation, rumor it will remain. Common sense is our only tellale. Our senses ! Smell has been a pretty good one for me. Visual verifies the fuels destructive powers. I can't visualize the local pump station risking prison time for a buck. Might as well rob a bank. Time served would be pretty equal to it. Do it legally. Make the consumer get rid of it. Make the consumer pay to get rid of it. This rumor peeves me to no end. I don't have the resources to feed my gut feeling. So...regardless of what I may think, I will live with it. Paps

[T. Cotten]

Paps!

Bank robbers almost always get caught,
because something is missing.
Add 55 gallons of volatiles to a 50,000 gallon tank that gets filled every week or two, and it would take lab analysis to even determine its presence.

Printer's waste benzene is certainly illegal to dump, but it would probably just increase the octane rating!

California apparently has laws for "nonconforming gasoline" that could carry jail time, but they are talking H2O..
Even when water in gas is found, it's an accident: TauntonGazette

Nobody's watching for deposits, just withdrawals.

....Cotten

[Paps]

Well Put. Paps

[mmoore]

this is getting to be a thread I would expect to find in the smoking gun. unfortunely there is more truth in it than people would expect. our fuel distributiom system is riddled with contaminants. I have seen it at a truck stop once as the trucks were fueling they started idling rough and stalling. 7 trucks died in a matter of minutes before they shut the pumps down. they switched tanks flushed out the lines into a tank and started pumping again. all the trucks that died had the fuel drained out filters changed and finally restarted. I can relate this story firsthand as I was called to perform the work.I put all the drained fuel into 55 gal barrels which were stored in back of the truckstop. the barrels remained there for a few months then after a windy nite I saw the barrels had blown around. they were empty!!I know they were never shipped out so where did it go??? as far as lead we did need to get rid of it as it was bad for our enviorment but now and then when we see old gas pumps some still have the sign that says it has lead to use as a antiknock but we also had it to help lubricate our valves. even low octane gas had lead. if you have any doubt about how oil companys think they can dupe us watch bp's commercial about how they lowered the sulpher in thier fuel for a cleaner burning fuel. IT WAS MANDATED BY OUR GOVERMENT!!!If any of you guys know any older truckers ask them what happened when they did that. it was a disaster with major pump failures, fuel lines deterating from the inside and complete o-ring failure. this was not only older trucks but as new as 6 months old. all they did they said was to remove the sulpher. why did the fuel become so corrosive??? the cure was the replacement of all the rubber compound used and we had to change every bit of rubber that had contact with the fuel. for over a year that was most of the work i did as a mechanic. now I guess you will understand my switch to e-85 and see how it works on my 68.

[D.Mac]

E85 fuel

Just recieved my January issue of "Hot Rod Magazine". There's an article in it on E85 gas. The article mainly looks at it from a high performance perspective, so some of it doesn't have much to with antique bikes, but still it's interesting information. One thing pointed out in the article that I wasn't aware of is that this stuff corrodes bare aluminum, definately not good for old bikes!
Doug.

[mmoore]

you ought see what the brine we use on our roads here in iowa does to any metal (even stainless). I'm working on a idea of lining a new tank with tin or lead to keep the rust at bay just waiting for my wife to leave for a few days so I can use her oven (shhh!!!!)

[23JDCA 808]

Originally posted by mmoore
I'm working on a idea of lining a new tank with tin or lead to keep the rust at bay just waiting for my wife to leave for a few days so I can use her oven (shhh!!!!)

I hope you're not serious. The vapors from such can peresist inside a house for a long time. ...and heavy metal is forever. ...bill

[mmoore]

Originally posted by 23JDCA 808
I hope you're not serious. The vapors from such can peresist inside a house for a long time. ...and heavy metal is forever. ...bill

naw im not sure what to use for a heat source yet Im going to practice on some small tanks first, but your right as I still have sammy hager and arrasmith tapes in my truck....

[Mickey Yak]

The Problem is ethanol in the gas, it sucks water and then turns to a form of sulfuric acid called sulfide salts which eat metal. To remove ethanol from gas put 4 gallons of gas in a water cooler bottle. Then add 1 gallon of water and mark the water level with a pen. Now shake it us, let it sit for 15 mins then shake it up again and after am hour look at the line. You will not believe how much alcohol they put in the gas. Now drain off the water and ethanol and you have ethanol free gas.
On my 50 Panhead I installed a Quick Connect disconnect in the fuel line between the tank and carburetor. Using the Safety hose end adapter you can plug it into the fitting and drain the gas out fast and easy. Run the motor till dry and your ethanol problem is over. My company sell the Safety Drain on E Bay. You can also go to DrainNstore.com They are US Made. The quick release and drain feature make removing the tanks easy, drain them then cut the rubber crossover hose. Great when someone runs out of gas too. Some buy them off me and put them in the crossover line between the tanks. To me that is the hard way.
Chrome Coupler and straight.jpghttp://drainnstore.com

[T. Cotten]

Mickey!

Ain't that a little inconvenient on an out of town trip?

And where did the sulfur come from? How did it "gel" without some sort of long-chained molecules?

I have encountered all sorts of crud no doubt, but never a 'gel' that wasn't a digested sealer or some other goober.

But thanks for bringing it back up....

....Cotten