Tom, I checked for results but I guess it's a little early.... http://www.rmauctions.com/Results.cfm If the rumors are true, the bikes went for big bucks.
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Dale said the vin was 2709E, which would most definitely be 1913. Look at the 4:22 mark of http://www.youtube.com/user/wheelsth.../4/6Y6KDVjdUGg . 1912 would have four numbers followed by either B, AB, or BA. 1913 would have four numbers followed by either C, D, or E. Perhaps he read it wrong? Anyone have photos of the VIN?
BTW, not all 1911's were followed by A. The beginning of the year started with 7500 up to 9999, with no letter at the end. Then, they rolled to 100A or 101A up through about 3000A if memory serves me correctly.
Talbot, I am well aware the license plate doesn't designate the year, or I would change my knucklehead into a '36 for a couple of hundred dollars!Last edited by silentgreyfello; 11-06-2011, 01:58 AM.
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Here are the results for some of the Hartung collection motorcycles. The "hammer" prices listed below do NOT include the 15% buyers premium. NO sales tax was levied on the motorcycles and automobiles. (Illinois State Tax law) A 9.25% sales tax was levied on all other memorabilia.
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6468 1913 Thor w/sidecar--------------------47,000
6469 1904 FN----------------------------------48,000
6470 1915 H-D---------------------------------50,000
6471 1921 Excelsior---------------------------42,500
6472 1912 Sears ------------------------------57,500
6473 1926 Excelsior w/sidecar----------------27,500
6474 1910 Thor--------------------------------32,500
6475 1912 Indian------------------------------15,000
6476 1928 Henderson-------------------------47,500
6477 1931 Indian------------------------------10,500
6478 1911 Excelsior---------------------------40,000
6479 1911 Indian------------------------------45,000
6480 KJ Henderson----------------------------35,000
6481 1902 Wagner----------------------------28,000
6482 1934 H-D--------------------------------11,000
6483 1912 Flying Merkel---------------------175,000
6484 1945 H-D---------------------------------12,000
6485 1911 Pope--------------------------------72,500
6486 1926 Henderson-------------------------26,000
6487 1913 Indian------------------------------48,000
6488 1926 Henderson-------------------------55,000
6489 1912 H-D-------------------------------100,000
6490 1938 Indian------------------------------56,000
6491 1902 Wagner----------------------------12,500Last edited by talbot-2; 11-06-2011, 03:39 PM.
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RM Auctions America has posted results on their website. The results for Friday, when the motorcycles and parts were sold, are here: http://www.auctionsamerica.com/event...egory=&Day=Fri
There were some 101 parts. They had a disasssembled 1930 motor that seemed to be in pretty good shape, but missing most of the valve train. That went for $3500 before premium and tax.
There was also a 101 frame without a motor; the auctioneer said it was a 1931 frame. It looked like there was a little bit of a bend in one of the bottom frame tubes, and the kicker stud had been cut off with a torch, but other wise, pretty good. That sold for $10,500 before premium. It was sold as a motorcycle, so no tax on that one.
Some of the memorabilia items sold for pretty hefty prices. A riders cap went for $6,250 without premium and tax. A Harley sign with blackboard went for $3,750. A lot with a big display of license plate jewel reflectors sold for $7,500.
It was fun to watch, which is good, because I couldn't afford to buy anything!
dkgoz
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The "sold" prices noted on the "results page" of the Hartung Auctions America website includes the buyer's premium. A 9.25% sales tax was added on to the "sold" price of all items except the motorcycles and automobiles. A great auction and a once in a life time experience. An unbelievable collection.Last edited by talbot-2; 11-06-2011, 03:34 PM.
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I see that there were a few parts that went at close to reasonable prices. For the most part though, it was out in the stratosphere!!! After all is said and done with buyer's fees and all, the fella that bought the Flying Merkel shelled out enough extra to pick up a decent Pan or Chief!!! The license plates blew my mind!!! It does look like there were some decent prices on the Hit and Miss engines though.... I sure envy those that got to witness it!!!Cory Othen
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[QUOTE=c.o.;114839 I sure envy those that got to witness it!!![/QUOTE]
Cory The auction was unforgettable and something one would like to forget. The building, the sent of mold and mildew, mouse mess, and water rising inside the building in the spring causing uncontrollable corrosion it was not pleasant.
On the other hand you must give Lee credit for all his collecting and saving of these antiques. If he had a little concrete in the floor it would have accomplished wonders in preserving his collection.
All that aside Lee combined a fantastic collection of American artifacts.
I bought a cast iron 100 year old porcelain green cook stove with four wood fueled burners and four gas fueled burners for my kitchen in my log cabin. I did not find any motorcycle parts for my projects.
Joe
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Joe!!!
It sounds like a respirator would have been a good item to have along!! I only saw what the internet had to offer. He had quite the collection. Your cook stove score sounds interesting. The best bread is baked over wood heat!!!!Cory Othen
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I think what surprised me the most about the auction, was how much those license plate lots went for.
I had no idea that there would be so much interest in those.
When I saw that the Arizona lot went for over $29,000.00 !
I thought for sure, that they had to all be the 1934 copper ones, but they weren't.
Somebody really likes Arizona license plates. They made the prisoners who stamped them out, real proud.
One item that I had my eye on, was that biker hat with the Henderson KJ pin on it.
Well, I guess several other people kind of liked that hat as well.
It went for over seven thousand dollars!
Some stuff was a real bargain, like that Canoe. But, a lot of stuff went right through the roof.
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Originally posted by cyclingday View PostOne item that I had my eye on, was that biker hat with the Henderson KJ pin on it.
Well, I guess several other people kind of liked that hat as well.
It went for over seven thousand dollars!.
joe
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Originally posted by silentgreyfello View PostA friend of mine went to bid, but got blown out of the water. Stuff was insane. Merkel went for 175k plus the premium, so buyer is paying right at 200k with premium and sales tax.
The "1912" Harley single, as Walksler called it, went for hundred thousand! Not sure if that included buyer's premium or not. They advertised as a 1912, but I think the serial number points to 1913 on the motor, and the cylinder sure has the notches for the mechanical intake. I don't think the motor was original to that bike, because for '13, it would have the pocket in the tank for clearance for the mechanical valve. Here is what I think happened. It was a 1912 to begin with (No pocket in tank). The motor got swapped out at some point with the '13 motor. In order to make it fit, they removed the mechanical valve on the '13 motor and replaced with the atmospheric valve from the '12 motor. Unbelievable that the bike would bring that kind of dough, even if it had the correct motor! There must have been at least two fools bidding.
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