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[Sargehere]

Those photos RWM posted above, of the "green" bike are of Nick Muth's, of New Jersey, and I think he calls it a 1902.

[jurassic]

factory tour 1908

[aka HAWG]

just wondering

years ago andy anderson went everywhere with an early indian - sometimes called a 1901 sometimes called a 1902

what ever happened to it and what was it really

will have to pull out old amca mags to see if good pix to help determine ( scanner broke - I cant copy to post here - help???) ( not scanner problem someone post pics to help )

aka hawg

[jurassic]

factory tour 1908

[kval]

just wondering

years ago andy anderson went everywhere with an early indian - sometimes called a 1901 sometimes called a 1902

what ever happened to it and what was it really

will have to pull out old amca mags to see if good pix to help determine ( scanner broke - I cant copy to post here - help???) ( not scanner problem someone post pics to help )

aka hawg

hawg
Andy Anderson called his bike a 1903, it was just a collection of parts the frame might have been an 03 but the motor was at least an 05.
I have no idea what happened to his bike

[jurassic]

factory tour 1908

[HarleyCreation]

heres a photo of a 1904 engine. notice how the cylinder stud goes right up the center line of the left case. add two cylinder studs on the right case ,that makes this a 3 stud motor. also notice how much webbing they had to add to the left case to accept the cylinder stud. it looks like the 3 stud motors appeared in late 1902 or 1903.

Thanks. Now I get the 3 & 4 stud difference.

Going back to the auction webpage (p.13) the photo of the Chandler Indian is small, but it shows the drive-side of the bike. I seem to see one stud coming up the middle of the cylinder on the drive side. That would seem to make it a later motor. The Stephen Wright 1902 shows two studs on the drive side just like the 1901 images, making those four-stud motors. The Chandler is a later 3-stud motor.

From that it seems to me the Chandler Indian is more likely to be a 1903 model and that might also explain the 3-plate fork.

Early Indian specialists must know all about the Chandler bike and its fabulous claim. I wonder what they say?

PS: Nice photos of Indian factory. Looks like a blacksmith's shop.

Chandler auction site. Indian p.13:

http://www.rickcarey.com/MarketJourn...06%20CCOMJ.pdf

[fillibuster]

"That's right on the money. 1916 was the introduction of Charles Franklin's sidevalve design," qu sarge.

Sarge, my readings say that the powerplus engine was a Charles Gustafson development, but we can't doubt Franklin's influence in 1916 after several years on Indian's staff. His 20 Scout is his first notable credit. I think the Hatfield writings corroborate the Gustafson credit by Sucher.

Herb, as Hedstrom is credited with building the first Indian engine, then Aurora was contracted to build the next two in Nov of 01, is it possible that they built the vertical exhaust ports and 3-stud motors on those two as well as in the next two years? .. other discrepencies such as the 3-plate fork I have no comment on.

[fillibuster]

Those photos RWM posted above, of the "green" bike are of Nick Muth's, of New Jersey, and I think he calls it a 1902.

Iron Redskin (Sucher) says the cartridge-spring fork was introduced in 05.

[Tom Lovejoy]

Cool factory photo's thanks for posting Jurassic, very cool.

[jurassic]

[Chris Haynes]

I searched "Otis Chandler's 1901 Indian" in Google Images and found lots of pictures of it.

[jurassic]

I searched "Otis Chandler's 1901 Indian" in Google Images and found lots of pictures of it.

well then......... can we get the senior judges ruling on the validity of the indian in question?

[HarleyCreation]

In-between motor

Herb, as Hedstrom is credited with building the first Indian engine, then Aurora was contracted to build the next two in Nov of 01, is it possible that they built the vertical exhaust ports and 3-stud motors on those two as well as in the next two years? .. other discrepencies such as the 3-plate fork I have no comment on.

Do you know the source of the info that says Aurora was contracted to build the 2nd & 3rd Hedstrom motors in Nov. of 1901? Offhand I can't remember ever seeing that but it is a significant fact. The Indian-Aurora connection interests me.

I like your theory, but we can't overlook the Stephen Wright found photo showing a c1902 Indian with the downslant exhaust port BUT still with a 4-stud motor like the 1901 images.

This c1902 in-between stage suggests that the Chandler bike with its later 3-stud motor would therefore be better identified as a c1903 model. The 3-plate fork also points in that direction.

Question: If the Wright photo (below) shows a 1902 Indian, then how can the Chandler bike with later (1903?) model features be a 1901 model?

Isn't this another case of a pretty story but not much else?

[rwm]

this may be old news
http://www.scripophily.net/auaumacode19.html