41 441 Police question

[someozybloke]

The bike in the picture either 40 or 41 would have been fitted with a B&M Siren by the looks of it. Here is another picture of 440 or 441 police bike it may help your restoration.
1940 Indian 003.jpg

[exeric]

Peter, you probably already knew this; the previous owner of that 1938 Four was Bernie Morgan. He had a large ranch here in Sarasota (didn't know police were that well paid He hosted a National AMCA meet at his ranch around 1976(?) for only 1 year. He had an amazing collection of early O.P. motorcycles and let many people ride them on his property. Although he must have had a long, and committed interest in early American motorcycles, he was another rich guy that came and went very quickly. He hosted that one meet, and fell off the map. Our past editor, Charlie Carter probably knows a lot more about Bernie, and that '38, (since he had one himself).

[PRG]

Howdy sir,

The bike you describe in Jerry’s book on page 88/89 is a 438 which would only have decals, at any rate, As an side, that 438 pic was taken at the former Klassix museum in Daytona during Bike Week at the hight of the antique Indian revival movement in the early 90’s. Buzz would feature various marque/region (US, Euro, etc) bike days throughout the week of which these events were better subscribed than even Indian Day in Springfield that we attended in 96. Many pix of Indians you see taken in a parking lot with a palm tree back drop were shot at this event as even the more reclusive owners were eager to participate.

The owner of this machine, an older crusty ex dirt bike racer who busted my ballz relentlessly over the years - for being a then yuppie with uncharacteristic greasy/gnarly finger nails - had just bought this machine from the widow of the owner, a former policeman, who’d gotten it in his retirement. An ex Muncie Indiana police chief’s machine with ancient NOS Goodyear diamond treads it was a beautiful specimen. Later he arrived at the 97 Blue Ridge Road Run in Cherokee with it untouched but ready for duty....he thought. I was stunned and said the weather can change in the course of one turn in the mountains and those tires would not do, he declared I can ride anything. I was 100 yards behind him when it began to mist and he high sided and went down hard.

Miss my 441, police machines were often delivered with only the main Indian badges with the 4 rare side pieces deleted.

[D.A.Bagin]

Unfortunately my friend passed in October and the info is no longer needed. Thanks for all the help.

[kustomizer]

I have the book I think you are talking about but I am not seeing the pics you describe

[Ivor]

Can anyone post the photos of the dark blue Indian police bikes in Jerry Hatfield's Indian four book please ? I gave the book back to a guy that has now passed away and I wan't to finish my four like the police bike illustrated in that book.

[D.A.Bagin]

I'm kinda tech challenged. Does anyone have a left side pic that clearly shows the siren hookup and linkages on a four from the late 30s or early 40s???

[Chris Haynes]

Santa Monica, CA officers Bones McClain and Bobby Clark.

[exeric]

not all Police Fours had the emblems...someone recently posted that pictures (I believe on FB) - also the fender light on the right bike and some other details like the main stands are very interesting - anybody ever seen a main stand like that?

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I've seen a similar stand on the Henderson Deluxe, and KJs. The sidecar loops on a Henderson were in a perfect position for that type of stand.

[wideglide38]

Great photo! He was probably getting ready to say "I'll Be Back"!

[gsottl]

not all Police Fours had the emblems...someone recently posted that pictures (I believe on FB) - also the fender light on the right bike and some other details like the main stands are very interesting - anybody ever seen a main stand like that?

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[motorheadmike]

police fours 1941 42 had no fork lock .. my 1942 had none ,,.

[D.A.Bagin]

Thanks again for the replies. Anyone else want to chime in??

[tfburke3]

A couple of nice 1941 police "prototype"photos in
Hatfieilds Resto Guide.
Tom

[Rubone]

H-D supplied Police departments with badgeless tanks if requested. My guess is that Indian did so as well.