popes O.H.V.

[c.o.]

[pem]

Here is something for ya Cory. This is the only known ad for a Comet motorcycle placed in a local newspaper. It is from a 1910 or 1911(I forgot which)hometown newspaper in Hartford, Wi. where I grew up. Never knew we had two motorcycle dealers in our city back in the pre-teens till I started my research. I also never knew that the wife of Frank Kenzler, of the Kenzler-Waverley motorcycle fame, lived in Hartofrd until her death sometime in the early 1990's or late 1980's. I have to check my notes. Anyway, I started my research just after she passed not knowing she was living in Hartford for all those years. Can you just imagine
the stories she could have told about Perry and Frank. I'm sure she knew the stories told about the Davidson's too. Oh well, a day late and a dollar short.

later

[Barry Brown]

NAME INFRINGEMENT?

[pem]

Barry,

What is the date of the article? That should tell us some info. I've seen the illustraion before but never the complete article. Thanks for posting it. That is one very cool looking tank! The motor sure has some similarities to a Mack v-twin. Comet was going to introduce a v-twin in Milwaukee right before they disappeared summer of 1910. That is going right into my files. Thanks again!

Dick

[Barry Brown]

not sure of the exact date but it is from a 1912 issue of Motorcycle Illustrated . this advert is in the same issue if not on the very next page.

[c.o.]

Here is something for ya Cory. This is the only known ad for a Comet motorcycle placed in a local newspaper. It is from a 1910 or 1911(I forgot which)hometown newspaper in Hartford, Wi. where I grew up. Never knew we had two motorcycle dealers in our city back in the pre-teens till I started my research. I also never knew that the wife of Frank Kenzler, of the Kenzler-Waverley motorcycle fame, lived in Hartofrd until her death sometime in the early 1990's or late 1980's. I have to check my notes. Anyway, I started my research just after she passed not knowing she was living in Hartford for all those years. Can you just imagine
the stories she could have told about Perry and Frank. I'm sure she knew the stories told about the Davidson's too. Oh well, a day late and a dollar short.

later

Dick,

I can just imagine the thoughts running through your head when you found out that the gal that may have been able to put things together for you was right in your hometown for all those years! These things happen though and I guess it just makes for more indepth detective work!

Here's a link to a couple of great pics of Vince's Jefferson........

http://www.khulsey.com/motorcycles/_...otorcycle.html

[c.o.]

http://dailyunion.com/main.asp?Searc...tionID=110&S=1

[silentgreyfello]

Anybody know what the Jefferson brought on the Vegas auction yesterday?

[HarleyCreation]

Jefferson Beauty

Jeff's re-creation is truly beautiful. That Waverley-P.E.M.-Jefferson really had that special "something." Thomas Jefferson would have been proud of this baby. It was a sad day when the Jefferson died.

I didn't know Jeff had the original Jefferson blue-prints. Where'd he find those?

Also, the motor looks like an original Mack motor, but didn't the Jefferson use the Waverley motor? Or is there one photo showing a Jefferson with a Mack motor? That rings a bell...

Dick Werner (pem) will probably remember this stuff better than me.

[pem]

Herb, here is the only known photograph of a Mack motor in a motorcycle. The motorcycle itself looks to be a Jefferson but has no markings on the fuel tank and seems to be painted a different color than dark blue. I'm sure it is not production. Probably a one-of that was lost to history.

Jeff did do a great job on his Jefferson racer. To bad it didn't have the correct Waverley motor.

I don't know of any original Jefferson blueprints. That would be quite a find. There is a set of
original blueprints for the Mack cyclecar motor at the Minnesota Air and Space Museum though. I have copies of those. Enough to build a new motor. They also have a blueprint of the Mack motyorcycle motor but only the full size motor. Not like the individual blueprints they have for the Mack cyclecar motor parts.

Dick

[c.o.]

I checked the auction results earlier today and I didn't notice Jeff's machine. Maybe he decided not to sell it?

[rwm]

the link may say 2010 results but it takes you to 2009 results.

[HarleyCreation]

That clears things up nicely. Thanks. I think I remember seeing one early c1916 or so Wis. motorcycle registration that said "Mack." But far as I know the Mack motor was sold separately as a bare motor. The Jefferson motorcycle had the name "Waverley" on its motor. Still a mystery where they got that name Waverley. That was never explained.

So then the auction was from 2009 and not 2010?

Herb, here is the only known photograph of a Mack motor in a motorcycle. The motorcycle itself looks to be a Jefferson but has no markings on the fuel tank and seems to be painted a different color than dark blue. I'm sure it is not production. Probably a one-of that was lost to history.

Jeff did do a great job on his Jefferson racer. To bad it didn't have the correct Waverley motor.

I don't know of any original Jefferson blueprints. That would be quite a find. There is a set of
original blueprints for the Mack cyclecar motor at the Minnesota Air and Space Museum though. I have copies of those. Enough to build a new motor. They also have a blueprint of the Mack motyorcycle motor but only the full size motor. Not like the individual blueprints they have for the Mack cyclecar motor parts.

Dick

[c.o.]

Courtesy of Tom Wilcock..... check out that front fork.



I see the 2010 results are up now...... here's a link to Jeff's bike..... http://www.midamericaauctions.com/sh...ehicleID=18369 by the looks of things it didn't sell.

[pem]

Cory, that photo first appeared in the November 1910 Wisconsin Motorist magazine. Perry just called it the "Waverley" at that time. By June/July 1911 the ads appeared for the "Kenzler-Waverley" in the Motorcycle Illustrated magazine. Kenzler-Waverley was never produced and used the prototype 1910 Waverley photograph in their ads. I think the frame and forks are 1909/10 Indian motorcycle. As much as I could figure out.

Dick