Knucklehead serial number

[KNUCK]

It was a rather off the cuff remark, keep your powder dry Eric. The more we read the more we learn, then separate the wheat from the chaff.

[Speeding Big Twin]

The more we read the more we learn, then separate the wheat from the chaff.

The more we read the more we learn? That depends on who wrote what we read. From one alleged author or another I’ve read plenty about H-D numbering but a lot of it was wrong. And some of it was incorrect in the extreme.

Separate the wheat from the chaff? Many people, including you, have recommended VAM because they thought all case numbers there were in their proper piles. But because you’re now saying separate the wheat from the chaff it sounds like you may be changing your mind? If so, perhaps you could start a new thread about case numbers at VAM? Why a new thread? Because as well as the certain five SNs I keep mentioning, there are others to be addressed and the discussion may go on for some time. Also a new thread may be easier to find in future for anyone looking for info about those case numbers. Thanks.
Eric

[Speeding Big Twin]

On 28 May I again emailed the AMCA officer I referred to above and here’s what I said: ‘It’s more than ten weeks since my first reply to your email but I’ve heard nothing further so I’m still wondering what happens after an AMCA national meet if there was a disagreement about the authenticity of the SN of a bike such as a 42 Knuckle that was examined at said meet. What evidence would the judge submit to the Judging Board? Would that evidence consist of photos only or does the AMCA have H-D factory paperwork regarding the types of stamps used for 42 SNs?

Apparently the Board meets frequently but what does that mean? When was the last time the Board met and have my questions been raised at such a meeting? And if so, what was the outcome? Surely no harm could be caused by answering my questions about what evidence a judge would submit to the Judging Board. Thank you.’



And here’s the response from that AMCA officer: ‘As per the first reply. We use the input of others that are well versed in the model that is being questioned whatever the bike may be. If your bike goes against the consensus it is the owners responsibility to provide the documentation for the appeal. if you can not it will likely be disqualified from the judging process. Hope this helps.’



On 30 May I tried again: ‘Thanks for the response but no it does not help, partly because you mention the input of others but without saying exactly what that means.
In January I started a thread on the AMCA forum because I had questions about what happens after an AMCA national meet if there was a disagreement about the authenticity of the SN of a bike such as a 42 Knuckle. Later in that thread it was suggested I contact the Judging Board but doing so has achieved nothing yet and I’m wondering why that is.

You also mentioned that if the bike goes against the consensus it is the owner’s responsibility to provide the documentation for the appeal. However, if the owner has to take on this responsibility then the Board is saying the judge may have been wrong. But how could that be? What’s the point of an AMCA judge examining the SN of a 42 Knuckle if he doesn’t know what he’s looking at and if he doesn’t know what to look for?

Also on this particular occasion what does documentation mean? Do you mean H-D factory paperwork demonstrating the types of stamps? Or do you mean photos of 42 SNs that appear consistent with factory stamping? I doubt the owner would have the former and I doubt the AMCA has any such paperwork either because if they did then surely judges could tell the difference between an authentic SN and a fake one? Does the AMCA have any such paperwork? Or not? And if not then what evidence does the judge submit to the Board? Photos only?’



No response yet to the email I sent on 30 May so I’m still wondering what evidence a judge would submit. And I’m still wondering why nobody can tell me.

Anybody been in front of an AMCA Judging Board?
Eric