Teens photos

[Chris Haynes]

Here is a web site with a lot of good teens pictures you can copy. Mostly Wagner and Excelsior.
http://www.arnoldforyou.com/granddadsbikerpics.htm

[talbot-2]

Here is a web site with a lot of good teens pictures you can copy. Mostly Wagner and Excelsior.
http://www.arnoldforyou.com/granddadsbikerpics.htm

I met the owner of the photos at the 2009 Davenport meet where he had copies of them for sale. He also has copies for sale on eBay. There is a very interesting story behind the photos.

[Chris Haynes]

There is a very interesting story behind the photos.

At $149.00 each they must be on German paper.

[Milrite]

At $149.00 each they must be on German paper.

I dont have $149 for a print, (that German paper must really be something!), but I sure would like to find some good photo's of a Peashooter TT machine..... I have two frames, one is a gearbox frame, the other is not, and was thinking of putting my motor into a TT type machine. For no other reason than I can plate a TT and ride it up here, the boardtrack I am pretty sure they wont give me a plate.... something about brakes..... more specifically the lack thereof!
If anybody knows where decent photo's can be found I would appreciate the help!

Happy Holiday to all! (Politically correct Canuck Greeting!) Merry Christmas to the rest of the World!

[aka HAWG]

At $149.00 each they must be on German paper.

too bad rolling papers never came in german paper or that would be one over priced joint

would you not think chris

chris give it up on the german paper you are just putting your foot deeper down YOUR throat with every new shot

[Tom Lovejoy]

Very cool, thanks Chris for posting. Anybody know what legal size means for the prints? some very cool photo's!

[Tommo]

Here's a couple of shots of gearbox Peashooters
Geoff Hockley's 1927 350 gearbox machine, engine number SM 512, straight out of the box from the factory in October 1927.
The other one is a 500 cc OHV TT racer and is unusual that it has the "s hook" front downtube in the frame.
This feature was generally not seen in gearbox Peashooters and normally only appeared on the countershaft models.
I suspect that this is a HD factory image.

[Chris Haynes]

Here are a couple pictures of 26SA631.

[Tommo]

Chris,
I'd question 26 SA631 as being correct.
Firstly the bike is fitted with a front wheel brake that first appeared in 1928 and secondly SA is the prefix for a countershaft model.
SM would be the correct prefix for a gearbox model.
I have a nos set of those racer handlebars that still has the factory tag hanging off them with a -28 part number
Sorry to be picky but my guess is a 1928/29 SM model.
Excellent pictures though and thanks for posting them Chris.

[Chris Haynes]

[QUOTE=Tommo;104868]Chris,
I'd question 26 SA631 as being correct.
QUOTE]

Tommo,
That is a factory photo of a new machine taken on the street in front of the factory. My guess is that it is a prototype machine. Prototypes are often made from machines built a year or two before. I have plenty of photos that show that.

[Tommo]

Even if it is a prototype it shows evidence of several later model features the most obvious being the thick mounting pads on the crankcases.
The 1926 and early 1927 singles used to break the engine mounting lugs so the factory increased their width to 11/16 from the original 17/32.
My question would be why would the factory continue production of a design that gave them trouble if they already had a solution to the problem?
Sorry but it doesn't make sense
One other puzzling thing is that it is obviously intended for competition but it doesn't have the pressure fed big end.

[Chris Haynes]

Even if it is a prototype it shows evidence of several later model features the most obvious being the thick mounting pads on the crankcases.
The 1926 and early 1927 singles used to break the engine mounting lugs so the factory increased their width to 11/16 from the original 17/32.
My question would be why would the factory continue production of a design that gave them trouble if they already had a solution to the problem?
Sorry but it doesn't make sense
One other puzzling thing is that it is obviously intended for competition but it doesn't have the pressure fed big end.

Tommo,
The man who can answer all you questions is William Sylvester Harley. Climb into Mr. Peabody's Way Back Machine and ask him. Be sure to post the answer here so we will all know. Merry Christmas

[Tommo]

Chris,
As an "AMCA Senior Judge" I take it from your comments that if someone turned up at Judging with a bike exactly like the one you posted and was calling it a 1926 prototype you would not question the later model features that appear on it.
I do have a HD factory prototype and a letter from the factory that proves it is in fact a prototype but that does not give me the right to fit later model parts and then use the prototype thing as an excuse to do so.
I thought those of us contributing here were trying to establish what a certain bike should be like so we assist those that are trying to restore the same model machine.
If I'm wrong about the dating of the machine in your photos then I'll be the first to apologise as I freely admit that at 63 years of age I certainly don't know everything and that I'm more than willing to learn.

[pete reeves]

Tommo.
Under Our current judging Rules and guidelines 26SA631 could not be judged as it is not a series produced machine, it also would not qualify for judging in the new Honor Competition class unless there is proof that it actually competed.

Chris.
The pictures you kindly posted of 26SA631 have the photographic companies serial number on them, Can you give us your guess when the photos were taken based on this sequential number?

Pete Reeves 860

[fillibuster]

quote tommo: "I thought those of us contributing here were trying to establish what a certain bike should be like so we assist those that are trying to restore the same model machine.
If I'm wrong about the dating of the machine in your photos then I'll be the first to apologise as I freely admit that at 63 years of age I certainly don't know everything and that I'm more than willing to learn." end quote

Thanks so much, Tommo!
I have to invoke a statement I first heard from Rich Schultz: "We're all just temporary caretakers". That caretaker responsibility would include far more than our personally-owned machines, extending throughout the history we seek to preserve. So Tommo, us guys at the back of the class can't help but appreciate what you bring here.