"new" barn finds...

[c.o.]

But only a rose is a rose. That’s just the way it is.
--Steve

Your right about that Steve. The crappy thing is there's not enough originals to go around. I think maybe that's why folks took up trying to make a new build look old. It was either for nostalgia reasons or to cater to those in dreamland. It is exactly the thought of the tooling and time that it takes to build a bike in the image of the "real deal" that impresses me. They aren't ever going to be quite as cool as an original but a fella sure can have fun on one just the same........

Chris, did you get a chance to have a look at this bike? http://www.midamericaauctions.com/sh...ehicleID=18353 This is the kind of work I was referring to. There's also some other great one's out there. These kind of bikes get my ol' imagination workin'........

[Chris Border MFG]

Yes I did get to see that bike. It is exactly what I mean. To 98% of the people out there its the real deal. Its also what I was trying to ask about. How does everyone feel about that kind of build? I want and will be building what I call "what if " bikes and wanted to know how they would be taken.

[LouieMCman]

Hey I think I got the "Dolly" award bike....but most people just call it squalid. Maybe we can add that catagory at the Concourse D'Ordinaire show at the Southern National Meet in May?

[*JU]

Caveat Emptor still applies.

The vintage cycle world is still evolving compared to... say the Corvette world where volumes of judging information is written and used in judging venues on every year of car. They have two accepted "bodies" of judging NCRS & Bloomington Gold. An award from one of these holds a lot of weight. But that's not to say that the rare "parts" on the car on the day it was judged have not been changed to reproduction parts the day it's sold.

They now have venues for original cars shown in their tattered unrestored state. "Survivor Awards", "Sportsman Awards".

http://www.ncrs.org/awards.html
http://www.bloomingtongold.com/inc.p...Restoreitornot
http://www.bloomingtongold.com/inc.php?link=goldcert
http://www.bloomingtongold.com/inc.php?link=survivor
http://www.bloomingtongold.com/inc.php?link=benchmark
http://www.bloomingtongold.com/#

[William McClean]

Hello Dolly

Yes I did get to see that bike. It is exactly what I mean. To 98% of the people out there its the real deal. Its also what I was trying to ask about. How does everyone feel about that kind of build? I want and will be building what I call "what if " bikes and wanted to know how they would be taken.

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle , author of the Sherlock Holmes Mysteries, allegedly dummied up a human skeleton and placed it in a location where a planned road project would unearth it. Upon its discovery it was examined and pronounced ancient. It was hailed as the First Englishman, a link in the chain of evolution, found near the town of Piltdown.

Conan Doyle, involved in the great debate of the age between Scientists and Spitirualists, was hoping to discredit the Scientific techniques used by his opponents. In a short story published under another name Conan Doyle told a tale of a suprisingly similar hoax and gave instructions on how to achieve the Patina by boiling the modern bones is a concoction involving tea to give the desired appearance.

Allegedly his plan was to reveal the truth of his hoax. World affairs and the rise of the Kaiser's navy altered his plan. Concerned about Britains' security and desirous of recieving a post in the minisrty of defense, there, the better to provide input on the dangers of the fleet of UnderSea Boats that was hitting the waves. He felt the revelation of his prank would adversely affect his chances for appoinment.

Piltdown Man made it into the books as Science for several decades. When found Piltdown Man was uneathered with a cricket bat that had been fashioned from a {real } mastodon shoulder bone, the better to lead investigators toward antiquity while ageing the remains.

[pem]

Original 1895 Motorcycle at auction

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=39131

Here ya go!

[inrustwetrust]

As a buyer, Bonham's auctions are a great place to buy. They are known to sell machines below the reserve price and negotiate with the seller to maintain their "integrity".

[cheifrider]

i love the avatar !, hence the term opening up a hornets nest?

[Barry Brown]

As a buyer, Bonham's auctions are a great place to buy. They are known to sell machines below the reserve price and negotiate with the seller to maintain their "integrity".

I DISAGREE. BONHAMS HAS MISREPRESENTED BIKES . I DON'T TRUST ANY OF THESE BIG AUCTION HOUSES. ONE ONLY HAS TO LOOK AT THEIR TRACK RECORD . THEY ARE ABOUT AS TRUSTWORTHY AS WALL STREET BANKERS AND JUST AS GREEDY.

[Chris Haynes]

I DISAGREE. BONHAMS HAS MISREPRESENTED BIKES . I DON'T TRUST ANY OF THESE BIG AUCTION HOUSES. ONE ONLY HAS TO LOOK AT THEIR TRACK RECORD . THEY ARE ABOUT AS TRUSTWORTHY AS WALL STREET BANKERS AND JUST AS GREEDY.

I don't believe the auctioneer knows anything about them. All they know is what the owner tells them.

[c.o.]

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=39131

Here ya go!

Well ain't that a dandy? They were quite the interesting machine. It looks like the flywheel needs some new rubber......

[inrustwetrust]

I DISAGREE. BONHAMS HAS MISREPRESENTED BIKES . I DON'T TRUST ANY OF THESE BIG AUCTION HOUSES. ONE ONLY HAS TO LOOK AT THEIR TRACK RECORD . THEY ARE ABOUT AS TRUSTWORTHY AS WALL STREET BANKERS AND JUST AS GREEDY.

That is exactly what I was saying, Barry. I watched at a Bonham auction when they dropped the hammer way below the reserve on a machine and bullied the owner into a taking the new deal. It was explained to me later that they would do this to keep the total sales numbers high so it looked like they were drawing sizable numbers for the sellers at their auctions. The buyer of the machine that sold for below reserve got a great deal.

[Barry Brown]

It has been discussed here before but it is a fact that Bonhams and other supposedly reputable auction houses take "bids of the back wall"

[rwm]

i've been dealing with auctioneers for years.these guys can get 6 bidders on something when only 2 people are in the room " too lady with the hat, yes sir you with the watch if this goes any higher sir you may have to trade that nice watch,i got 7000 on the phone,ma'am with the hat ok thanks sold to fellow in the front row with the lady" and the poor guy and is wife have no idea how a $100 chair cost them $7,500 these auction house get 28% of the sale 14% buyer and 14% seller.rates can change on higher price items and for better clients.they charge the seller to place a b/w photo in there catalog and more for color .they charge you to insure your consingnment on thier property.if the go ebay live thats another $100 a lot.
5 years back christie's and shotheby's where hit hard in a class action for price fixin rates.they both gave back millions
smaller auction house will short hammer an item for a friend to buy leaving many bidders shock as to why the lot moved on .I personally show this happen at an auction of indian parts and bikes in pa.if you think the auctioneer use a rapid vioce for your convenience your crazy.if he wanted you to understand what was going on he would talk slower.he has all day.he just wants the best profit for himself.he chould give two sh**s about his consigners!

[exeric]

This is very informative stuff. I have never consigned anything to an auction and find the whole process to be mystifying, to say the least. How does the Las Vegas motorcycle auction rate for ethics?