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  • Dear All, I'm concerned about this Jefferson auction a few years ago. As far as I know, no Club funds were used to buy literature, but this pre-dates my time on the Board so I could be wrong.

    George Yarocki is a Club member and collector of original literature, who makes some kind of living selling photocopies. He has generously allowed the Club to digitise his original literature at no cost, and we thank him for it.

    Bruce Linsday is the Club Archivist, and has a fine collection of his own, mostly Harley, literature which he has likewise offered for digitising. Our President Rocky Halter has a good collection of Indian literature which he has also offered for digitising. Jerry Hatfield has some neat literature which he has also offered to the Club. These last three gents, plus then President Pete Gagan and then editor Rick Schunk, formed the AMCA Technical Information Committee which I chaired. The original concept was a physical library, but we quickly saw that a virtual library was the way ahead. Larry Barnes was engaged as an independent contractor after Board approval of the project, and he has done a good job getting us where we are now. For the future we hope to continue to shake down and expand the library, preferably at lower cost, by using volunteers and accepting digitised donations.

    Meanwhile, the Club bought out the British VMCC Library surplus material for $4,000 including freight. I picked this up and packed it for shipping. There are a few pre-war brochures, but it is mostly Motorcycle Weekly, Motorcycling, Classic Bike, The Classic Motorcycle, Bike, and Motorcycle Mechanics magazines, plus the VMCC monthly magazines. There is much duplication and many of the boxes remain unopened. This 2400 pounds of literature is on the way to the AACA Hershey Library, where they will sort it and rack it for us, and the surplus will be sold in late 2009. In my opinion little or none of this stuff is worth digitising.

    So we shall end up with a physical magazine library at Hershey, free to members, plus a digital library of the rarer stuff available to members at a charge which aims to break even on the set-up and running costs. I hope this helps make clear where we've come from, and we'll be happy to keep receiving suggestions on the direction in which we should be heading. Best regards.

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    • Steve,
      Thanks for the synopsis
      William McClean
      AMCA # 60

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      • Originally posted by Steve Slocombe View Post
        So we shall end up with a physical magazine library at Hershey, free to members, plus a digital library of the rarer stuff available to members at a charge which aims to break even on the set-up and running costs.
        Let me see if I have this straight.
        I spend time at my computer scanning and sending my stuff to you. You download the file into your computer. Print it and sell if to somebody for $20.00-$50.00 to cover your expenses. Is that about right? If so you must have a horrendous electric bill for your expenses to be so high.
        Once again I offer scans of my collection, which I have spent many thousands of my own dollars on, to the "LIBRARY" (which seems to be an actual store) at no cost to you as long as you give it to the membership at no or minimal charge.
        Be sure to visit;
        http://www.vintageamericanmotorcycles.com/main.php
        Be sure to register at the site so you can see large images.
        Also be sure to visit http://www.caimag.com/forum/

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        • I'm down to one paid subscription and one paid club. One of them has to go....tough call.....then again I really do like the centerfolds. Hrdly

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          • Wow, has this thread taken on a life of it's own or what? Please, nobody mention synthetic oils :-P.

            All seriousness aside, William McClean brings up an excellent distinction. And in the digital age, it actually makes what I'm about to suggest very easy. As the mothership scans and fills its digital files with digital copies of original as well as scanned and donated literature, why not make it available, via a database system to members at no charge for viewing purposes, ONLY? As Exeric stated, copies are really of no collectible value. But that does not mean they do not have some value. If someone wants a copy, then they should pay for the effort involved in producing that copy and the infrastructure put in place to store, access and produce that copy. Since the potential is also there for the individual wanting the copy to sell copies of the copy upon receiving it, it does represent some value on the open market for those wanting a copy. I have no idea what that value is, but there is a value there. So, a price for a hard copy or even a digital copy is a reasonable position to take.

            So, why not make digital images of the reproduced literature available to members, free of charge for viewing purposes only. The website could be structured such that you can not copy what you are looking at. That technology has been around for awhile. When you cut and paste, you get a goofy icon and none of the text or pictures. This way, members can do there research, find the info they need for a particular restoration, or the evidence to support their particular restoration and no copies can be made for future sale. If you need to make a case to a particular judge (you anal retentive type pay attention here) you can cut and paste the link from the digital image and email the link to the judge to make your case. Same could be done with vintage photos. (Kevin Valentine please forgive me for even mentioning this. I'll buy you a beer at the Hudson Valley dinnner in Februrary).

            The end result would be a library that provides the members with access to the material, without giving them access to copy and reproduce any of it. It would also offer a service to both members and non-members (with the appropriate discount structure) to buy quality reproductions of any of the literatures contained in the library. To that point I would suggest the ability to make high quality reproductions of the literature, but mark it in such a manner that it could not be aged and sold to some schnook on eBay for a profit, be available. I know I would love to have a set of original sales brochures, Riders handbook, etc. to go with my bike when it is done. Repros would be fine since it is what they say that is of importance to me.

            I also think that the mothership should be willing to barter with members. I have an original 1934 Big Twin Rider's Handbook. I'd be willing to loan it to the library to scan, if I could in turn get a quality copy of say a handbook for my '47 EL or maybe a copy of the Sept '46 Enthusiast with the ad for the new '47 Knucklehead. I think give and take here should be the rule between the library and the membership and both side would win.

            I think this is a fair compromise that benefits the "members" (I still think we are subscribers) and the mothership. If we truly only care about the info contained in the literature, then being able to read it without copying it should be sufficient. T. Cotten, is this enough to put a smile on your face? I suspect the answer is yes.

            Okay, wife is back with the Chinese food. Provided she did not slip and break her neck on the ice in the driveway, I have to either go downstairs and eat dinner or call 911.

            AMF,
            Regards,
            Rob Sigond
            AMCA # 1811

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            • as the board of directors has the say in this decision and as the members are all paying members, and as the merchandise was purchased or donated in the name of the club.

              why not put up a survey as to what the MEMBERS want remember without us there is no AMCA and that would be a dis service to all
              Moose
              aka Glenn

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              • Originally posted by Hrdly-Dangrs View Post
                Follow the money trail to the big 'X' on the ground (or the next Indian Torque Four)
                Hrdly
                please allow me to be blunt, the indian torque four is a piece of junk....i can't believe the club's funds were used to pay for it. since the club is clubbing it's members by charging for downloads and making other questionable purchases, maybe they can find some funds in the budget to hire somebody to empty the overflowing reeking garbage cans at the wauseon meet.

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                • Originally posted by Hrdly-Dangrs View Post
                  Follow the money trail to the big 'X' on the ground (or the next Indian Torque Four)
                  Hrdly
                  please allow me to be blunt, the indian torque four is a piece of junk....i can't believe the club's funds were used to pay for it. since the club is clubbing it's members by charging for downloads and making other questionable purchases, maybe they can find some funds in the budget to hire somebody to empty the overflowing reeking garbage cans at the wauseon meet.

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                  • pamphlet

                    I just used the amca library. To find info. that verified a part on my bike to be correct was well worth the money I payed for the pamphlet. You can not have enough paper to go with your bike!

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                    • Originally posted by Steve Slocombe View Post

                      Meanwhile, the Club bought out the British VMCC Library surplus material for $4,000 including freight. I picked this up and packed it for shipping. There are a few pre-war brochures, but it is mostly Motorcycle Weekly, Motorcycling, Classic Bike, The Classic Motorcycle, Bike, and Motorcycle Mechanics magazines, plus the VMCC monthly magazines. There is much duplication and many of the boxes remain unopened. This 2400 pounds of literature is on the way to the AACA Hershey Library, where they will sort it and rack it for us, and the surplus will be sold in late 2009. In my opinion little or none of this stuff is worth digitizing.
                      HOLY MACKEREL! $ 4 g's for those rags? I guess the shipping must have been a lot or they were bound in REAL Corinthian leather! I have seen many offers of those mags for FREE if the recipient( sucker!) picks them up! I am sure the VMCC library at Allen House in England gets them for free just as the National Automotive History Collection at the Detroit Public Library gets tons of stuff for free. Maybe our club should show the initiative to do the same. I spent a full day at Allen House. A fantastic collection apparently open to anyone who wanders in. The girls there brought me tea and sandwiches as I photographed and browsed through whatever I pleased.

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                      • Originally posted by john fretschl View Post
                        I just used the amca library. To find info. that verified a part on my bike to be correct was well worth the money I payed for the pamphlet. You can not have enough paper to go with your bike!
                        Hi John.
                        It would be of benefit to other members if you named the brochure that you were happy with. It would pave the way for others to purchase the same item without concern.

                        Best wishes mate.

                        Ken.
                        Ken Kemp
                        Nth Queensland
                        AUSTRALIA
                        Member # 8756

                        47 Chief
                        2006 BMW K1200S
                        Getting seriously interested in Vincent
                        2010 Can Am Spyder RSS (The Wife made me do it!)
                        SYM 125 Scooter

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                        • lmao

                          hahahah!keep sendin in the 30 bucks folks , they LOVE it!i just got my "we missed you pardner " notice .you f****rs didnt miss me ,you miss my bread !this place reminds me of our current policy makers !NO ACCOUNTABILILITY!
                          1946 chief 1948 chief 1948 wl 1950wl 1941ulwith sidecar 47 chief(in the works)65bsa

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                          • Flanders 16 page booklet is what I purchested from the libuary . This is the only Flanders paper out there that I know of, that decribes the type of rear hub option you could have on the bike.If any one out there who would be interested in sharing info. on this motorcycle company

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                            • Here's a site with some good pics...........

                              http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5327350

                              I also think that booklet that you got from the library was likely from the George Yarocki collection.
                              Cory Othen
                              Membership#10953

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                              • Funny how a memory jars when a subject is brought up. I remember when I was a youngster there was a fellow locally who had a Flanders chassis mounted outside on his shop wall. It was there for years and then he moved away. I always wondered what happened to it until one day years later I ran into him and he mentioned that he sold it for 200 bucks! I still kick myself for that one!
                                Cory Othen
                                Membership#10953

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