Calling Tom Cotten..... and the rest of you fellows might enjoy this

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  • Steve Swan
    Possessed by Motorcycles
    • Aug 2013
    • 1589

    #1

    Calling Tom Cotten..... and the rest of you fellows might enjoy this

    Steve Swan

    27JD 11090 Restored
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClUPIOo7-o8
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    27JD 13514 aka "Frank"
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  • Eric
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2002
    • 148

    #2
    Very nice video on how a carb works. Thanks
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    • T. Cotten
      Gadfly from the Dumpster
      • Jun 2001
      • 8218

      #3
      Thanks Steve!

      But we still have no clues about the enigmatic transition from the idle circuit to the power circuit in the DLX design.

      Might as well give up on my see-through Linkert without a camera like that...

      ....Cotten
      PS: "Vapor" should be invisible. What was filmed was fuel not fully vaporized, or "atomized" as described in many texts. Similar clouds are also formed where there is a pressure drop beyond the venturi, in the many crooks and nannys of the ports.

      Puddling.gif

      Any such "puddling" robs fuel efficiency and power, because droplets do not burn as completely as vapor.

      PPS: That's supposed to be an animated .gif. It worked before I uploaded it. I've been trying for weeks.
      Last edited by T. Cotten; 07-03-2021, 08:37 PM.
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      • jug
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2018
        • 112

        #4
        Maybe this guy can make a float bowl for my Mikuni so I can see whats going on in there.

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        • T. Cotten
          Gadfly from the Dumpster
          • Jun 2001
          • 8218

          #5
          Originally posted by jug View Post
          Maybe this guy can make a float bowl for my Mikuni so I can see whats going on in there.
          Ever been to a laundromat, Jug?

          Without the fancy high-speed camera, that's what you see!

          The bowl circuit is all about the level of the fuel, so I've read anyway. It would have been nice if the float in the video was at least level; That might even dampen a lot of the slosh.

          The video illustrates the high speed circuit of a tube carburetor, after the air velocity is enough to draw from a nozzle (over ~35mph for the American design.)

          The mystery I wish to understand is the draw upon the DLX/Linkert idle circuit at much lower velocities: How can the entire volume of the circuit suddenly reverse itself if acceleration is slow?

          Does it flush, or gurgle like a toilet?

          ....Cotten
          Last edited by T. Cotten; 07-04-2021, 01:33 PM.
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          • jug
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2018
            • 112

            #6
            I would like to know just how much fuel is in the bowl when my motor starts to stumble to help me fix the problem.

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            • T. Cotten
              Gadfly from the Dumpster
              • Jun 2001
              • 8218

              #7
              Originally posted by jug View Post
              I would like to know just how much fuel is in the bowl when my motor starts to stumble to help me fix the problem.
              If this is a going-down-the-road problem, Jug,...

              You're going to have a hard time seeing the bowl and the road at the same time.

              I defer to Kitabel for modern carbs, but it should be obvious that every bowl is a tempest in a teapot when the motor is shaking it. If the float and valve are doing their job, the "average" or "median" fuel level that matters is the level within the bowlstem, where there is a lot less room to splash around.

              Do Mikunis have a bowlstem reservoir to feed a nozzle like antiques? (I really don't know!)

              ....Cotten
              Last edited by T. Cotten; 07-04-2021, 04:42 PM.
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              • PaulCDF
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2019
                • 1375

                #8
                Very interesting and informative video. Thanks for sharing. There are some smart people right there.

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                • jug
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2018
                  • 112

                  #9
                  Mikuni feeds the bowl from the top. No bowlstem to tame down shaking.

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                  • T. Cotten
                    Gadfly from the Dumpster
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 8218

                    #10
                    I don't think it matters how it gets into the bowl, Jug!

                    It's how its sucked out.

                    I'm certain Mikunis have intermediate circuits and all sorts of bells and whistles that antiques do not,.. but aren't all those "jets" and stuff still in their own holes (sometimes called a "well") that are filled to the fuel level in the bowl?
                    Then that's the same as George Schebler's design.

                    Where's Kitabel when we need him?

                    ....Cotten
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