Eustis

[redfred84]

'raid you lost me on all of this Phil. Regular English would suffice.
Just spoke w/ Smiley. We both have a mutaul friend who got his entire collection ripped off outta Oaklahoma. The theif called me, claiming that our buddy died, and that he was selling the estate.
Our buddy just called from the "dead". He is very much alive, but missing his bikes. (we found them though).
Anyway, Smiley is heading your way soon.
RF.
fair warning

[bill campbell]

[QUOTE=WebKahuna;115122]Chris
Sorry we disagree, I think you may be a little quick on the draw with the "Big Brother" stuff though. I'll try to give an explanation so we understand each other. The thread is titled Eustis 2012- Should it move. It started on 7/17/11 and had some pretty spirited discussion though to the middle of August. I think you even chimed in a time or two with a couple of one liners. It picked up a little more in the beginning of September. By this time the thread had pretty much run it's course Then mid September we get a post about wanting to hear from vendors interested in an outlaw meet. Then after about a month of no replies The same poster bumped the thread with another similar post. After that the thread ceased being a discussion on the merits of a chapters decision of one venue or another. It became an advertisement or promotion for an event that is in direct competition with an event sponsored by the people who supply this forum, Namely You, Me and the people at Sunshine Chapter, amongst others. Whether you agree with their decision or not, In here we're part of the same group. So you can argue, disagree, discuss and complain, but you shouldn't use this forum as a place to actively collect and promote information to hurt an AMCA sponsored event. With that in mind I'm deleting your last post here too
Thanks
Gary[/QUOT WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO FREE SPEECH

[LouieMCman]

I can't blame the national for approving the meet, but would blame the few who promoted the move without the chapter knowing or approving...I just don't think that was the right thing to do, I know they represent the chapter but feel it should have been voted on by all. Isn't that the American way?

Speaking of National Meets and advertizing...does that mean that Davenport won't be listed on the national list of meets?

[WebKahuna]

And as for you, Big-Kahuna-Bro, what's with the pepper spray on brother Chris?

Phil
Deleting Chris's post may seem a little heavy handed. But I felt he was just making that post as a "stick it in your ear" kind of statement. After the original poster agreed with my reasoning and even said so. If I'm wrong about that I apologize, and will reconsider my choice. I didn't ask anyone not to discuss were or when a chapter has it's event. Or to not criticize the decision based on whatever reasons that person believed. I did ask that they not burden the discussion with talk that I perceived as getting to the level of " I'm taking my stuff and playing at someone else house cause I don't like you anymore and I'm telling everyone else to not like you too, So there!". I hope that helps a little in the explaining.

[indianut]

I did ask that they not burden the discussion with talk that I perceived as getting to the level of " I'm taking my stuff and playing at someone else house cause I don't like you anymore and I'm telling everyone else to not like you too, So there!".

Maybe that is exactly what the FEW, making decisions that effect the MANY need to hear!

[Chris Haynes]

Chris
Sorry we disagree, I think you may be a little quick on the draw with the "Big Brother" stuff though. With that in mind I'm deleting your last post here too
Thanks
Gary

Gary,
And with that you wonder why I think of Big Brother? You try to control what we think and what we say. If it disagrees with your politics you disallow it? God forbid that someone post about a motorcycle event anywhere in the country that happens on the same dates as a National event. Like The Viking Chapter and The Fort Sutter Chapter have their meet on the same weekend in June. What if there is a independent meet in Chickasaw, OK the same weekend. Are we prohibited to talk about it here? Do you understand what I am saying?

[Paul G Bergeron]

might as well put my two cents worth before someone steps over that line and this entire posting vanishes whats wrong with a little competition anyway those deleted threads were put there by amca members were not obscene or derogatory just against the party line now that we know about rogue meet at eustis many of us will check out both meets the closer to daytona this meet gets the less I like it as with many members and venders dislike being amidst all those bike week nuts and all that traffic in two weeks at fla I avoid that scene except for a trip to spiders swap meet ( can I say that ) see what the ugly censorship thing can do when it gets started some say the old school members are out of touch but we know our own feelings about the whole eustis debacle paul g bergeron 7989

[exeric]

Back in the mid 90's we had an AMCA national meet at the Shriner's Hall in Orlando. It was a bad meet and got even worse when the Shriner's decided to lock up all of the facillities (i.e. bathrooms). Bob McClean gave the (then) Sunshine Chapter president a royal ass chewing and layed down the law that Florida had best find a good, stable venue or we would loose the national meet. With a few twists and turns that became the Eustis meet which everyone but a few administrator at the new Sunshine Chapter have loved. Red Fred, I can understand the AMCA national keeping a "hands off" policy on Chapter concerns, but Florida has a dismal record for meet site stability. I would think Florida would get special attention because of our history. Like I previously stated, this new facility will be our 12th location. Look at all of the other meets; they only moved because they got too big, and that was done many years ago. Like I also said, it's water under the bridge and we have to move on but I predict rough water ahead for the Florida meet.

[WebKahuna]

Gary,
And with that you wonder why I think of Big Brother? You try to control what we think and what we say. If it disagrees with your politics you disallow it? God forbid that someone post about a motorcycle event anywhere in the country that happens on the same dates as a National event. Like The Viking Chapter and The Fort Sutter Chapter have their meet on the same weekend in June. What if there is a independent meet in Chickasaw, OK the same weekend. Are we prohibited to talk about it here? Do you understand what I am saying?

Chris
As I said earlier in my reply to Phil Mast, I may have earned a big brother slam from you on that post and I explained why. In answer to some of your other points. I really don’t try to control what you think, and very little of what you say. As far as disagreements with my politics being disallowed. I think that’s stretching it a bit. I’m pretty sure I said at least a couple times that I don’t have any problem with posting different events different venues. I thought the original discussion was valid and still could be. The individuals whose post I deleted and ask to refrain from anymore, were using that thread to garner support and collect information for another competing event. At least one of them agreed with me on how it wasn’t a good place for that and has even communicated a time or two with me to think of a resolution. In respect to the events like Fort Sutter Chapter and Viking Chapter on the same weekend I think they know that ahead of time and agree to it. So it wouldn’t be the same as our problem here. Even the independent meet in Chickasaw on the same weekend would make a fine discussion. The problem I had and the one I’ve had so much trouble communicating is that on the thread we are all up in arms about I don’t believe there was a competing event until it started there. So I asked that they take the planning and logistics of it to a new location. I could have said it was off topic and deleted it but I chose to delete them with the reason I stated and leave the thread there but closed for at least a while to let anyone, who wanted, access to it. I didn’t’ realize how far back it would get shot since not much happened on it the last few posts. If I had really wanted to censor it or hide anything from anyone I probably wouldn’t have pointed to it in this thread when exeric ask where it was. In fact if I were really a fan of censorship and so on I probably would have deleted this whole thread. Once again please reread my replies in each thread. Because I do believe I understand what your saying. I just think you’ve got me wrong

[t-jacobs]

Why don't The AMCA and the V.M.C. band together for one large meet? Same day, same location, lots of happy vendors and buyers. We all love the same hobby. Just sayin.

[shelbyinparadise]

trying to stay on topic of discussion

Anyone understand the local club moved the event for reasons only known to the local chapter? None of us vendors were asked or notified of a planned location change, even those who paid for their spots in advance for next year at Eustis. Are they going to get the same spot they paid for or just some spot in the new venue. No one mentioned a move, even the vote by the National who voted in March to put "Eustis" on calendar of events, not Volusia County. Why do you think the vendors are so proud of their locations and have first right of refusal for the next year? Because they CAN. Sometimes it takes years to get a good spot, next to friends, or near good high traffic area. The vendors are a family within a family, traveling to meet to meet in support of the national and local clubs. We collectively bring the parts people come to the meets looking for.

At Davenport this year one of the last announcements that came over the loud speaker was to thank the vendors for coming and helping make their meet a success. Just saying, try to have a meet without vendors, it is hard enough fighting a bad economy.
Shelby

[fillibuster]

gary-big-k-bro, I meant this all very sportingly, ows sporting, if that helps. I'd have attempted a smiley-face, but I'm so clumsy that my post gets deleted sometimes. .. I'm glad you're still talking without being overly defensive. Keeping it light is our best medicine when we go a little too far, and we do sometimes go a little bit too far. Peace, man!
Red Fred, thanks for the Smiley warning, he's native to us, you know. means he's one-o-our'n, not your'n!

Now seriously (yes, seriously), I meant what I said about national board members being "charged with the maintenance of the grand view", or something like that. And I meant what I said about this club being "our club", and even (hope I'm not extending too far) that a meet hosted by a chapter is also our meet as well. And I meant what I said our main focus with a meet, whether it be for members (whether in the judging circle or the vendors and shoppers), or for recruiting new members from the general public. .. Of course I'm referencing Eustis and Farmington, and maybe D-port.
Management's a dirty job sometimes, ain't it?
Anyway, a good thanksgiving to all, for now!
gotta hit the sack.

Phil
Deleting Chris's post may seem a little heavy handed. But I felt he was just making that post as a "stick it in your ear" kind of statement. After the original poster agreed with my reasoning and even said so. If I'm wrong about that I apologize, and will reconsider my choice. I didn't ask anyone not to discuss were or when a chapter has it's event. Or to not criticize the decision based on whatever reasons that person believed. I did ask that they not burden the discussion with talk that I perceived as getting to the level of " I'm taking my stuff and playing at someone else house cause I don't like you anymore and I'm telling everyone else to not like you too, So there!". I hope that helps a little in the explaining.

[shelbyinparadise]

trying to stay on topic of discussion

Anyone understand the local club moved the event for reasons only known to the local chapter? None of us vendors were asked or notified of a planned location change, even those who paid for their spots in advance for next year at Eustis. Are they going to get the same spot they paid for or just some spot in the new venue. No one mentioned a move, even the vote by the National who voted in March to put "Eustis" on calendar of events, not Volusia County. Why do you think the vendors are so proud of their locations and have first right of refusal for the next year? Because they CAN. Sometimes it takes years to get a good spot, next to friends, or near good high traffic area. The vendors are a family within a family, traveling to meet to meet in support of the national and local clubs. We collectively bring the parts people come to the meets looking for.

At Davenport this year one of the last announcements that came over the loud speaker was to thank the vendors for coming and helping make their meet a success. Just saying, try to have a meet without vendors, it is hard enough fighting a bad economy.
Shelby

[WebKahuna]

gary-big-k-bro, I meant this all very sportingly, ows sporting, if that helps. I'd have attempted a smiley-face, but I'm so clumsy that my post gets deleted sometimes. .. I'm glad you're still talking without being overly defensive. Keeping it light is our best medicine when we go a little too far, and we do sometimes go a little bit too far. Peace, man!
Red Fred, thanks for the Smiley warning, he's native to us, you know. means he's one-o-our'n, not your'n!

Now seriously (yes, seriously), I meant what I said about national board members being "charged with the maintenance of the grand view", or something like that. And I meant what I said about this club being "our club", and even (hope I'm not extending too far) that a meet hosted by a chapter is also our meet as well. And I meant what I said our main focus with a meet, whether it be for members (whether in the judging circle or the vendors and shoppers), or for recruiting new members from the general public. .. Of course I'm referencing Eustis and Farmington, and maybe D-port.
Management's a dirty job sometimes, ain't it?
Anyway, a good thanksgiving to all, for now!
gotta hit the sack.

Phil
I took no offense at all. Those smiley faces or an occasional LOL or LMAO are handy when your kidding around though. Even so I could see it being a legitimate question. I just referred to it in my reply to Chris for some clarity. I agree with you about keeping it light, and we all go to far once in a while. That's expected, I bet more than half of us here would have nothing in common if it weren't for pushing the envelope a bit . Peace to you too and Like you said A good Thanksgiving to all
Gary

[WebKahuna]

Anyone understand the local club moved the event for reasons only known to the local chapter? None of us vendors were asked or notified of a planned location change, even those who paid for their spots in advance for next year at Eustis. Are they going to get the same spot they paid for or just some spot in the new venue. No one mentioned a move, even the vote by the National who voted in March to put "Eustis" on calendar of events, not Volusia County. Why do you think the vendors are so proud of their locations and have first right of refusal for the next year? Because they CAN. Sometimes it takes years to get a good spot, next to friends, or near good high traffic area. The vendors are a family within a family, traveling to meet to meet in support of the national and local clubs. We collectively bring the parts people come to the meets looking for.

At Davenport this year one of the last announcements that came over the loud speaker was to thank the vendors for coming and helping make their meet a success. Just saying, try to have a meet without vendors, it is hard enough fighting a bad economy.
Shelby

Shelby
You are correct in your title "Trying to stay on topic of discussion" I have to apologize for that not happening as I tend to let threads run without calling that out. In this case I think it's especially important. You are asking some compelling and thoughtful questions that should be of value to all of us. At this point in this thread in may be to late to get back to your point. I'd give it another day or two and see if we can get some replies to your questions. If not you may need to start a new thread say maybe " I think we need to improve our Chapter to Vendor communications" and here's why or something along those lines.
Gary