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    I can text pics to whoever wants them my phone seems to have issues emailing pm a phone number and ill send
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    Quote Originally Posted by FCJ View Post
    Is the cover (a) vinyl or (b) an ABS type plastic composite material? I understand that the terms vinyl and plastic are often used interchangeably and otherwise pretty loosely.

    Is the skirt (a) leather or (b) plastic? As to rare features for a MY1952 style Deluxe Solo Saddle (DSS), an open (aka raw) seam by itself is generally considered rare. A MY1952 style DSS with a plastic cover and a leather skirt may be almost unheard of. I'm no expert. Experts disagree on many of these issues. But, to my knowledge, experts generally agree on the skirt material for the MY1952 style DSS.

    I would love to see any photos of the seat that you are willing to share. I may be able to help identify the model year and/or some of the materials.
    You have seen pics on facebook
    D. A. Bagin #3166 AKA Panheadzz 440 48chief W/sidecar 57fl 57flh 58fl 66m-50 68flh 70xlh

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    Quote Originally Posted by D.A.Bagin View Post
    You have seen pics on facebook
    With "vinyl top, leather skirt"? Did Adam M. recently post some photos of your seat? I thought that seat had a Royalite (ABS type) plastic cover and a Panolene plastic skirt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D.A.Bagin View Post
    You have seen pics on facebook
    If that is your seat, it is rare. But, I believe that it's considered rare because Deluxe Solo Saddles with plastic covers and open seams are rare. More rare for MY1952 than for MY1951. Not much time between (a) the change from from leather covers to plastic covers and (b) the change from open seams to closed seams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omarttentmaker View Post
    On page 687 of Palmer's 2nd edition at the bottom of the right hand column there's a pic of a '47-'54 solo. The script reads that the rosettes were leather. But in the left hand column at the top, he states that the rosettes were plastic. Did they start as leather and were replace with plastic, or did they come either way?
    Follow Up (re: possible earlier versions of rosettes). As to the Deluxe Solo Saddle (Milsco Part No. H031; HD Part No. 3181-47), I believe that, effective April 17, 1947, (a) the housing (aka skirt) was changed from leather to black Panolene plastic and (b) rosettes and spots were added to the housing.

    Note that, at least at the time, the subject rosettes were different than (i) the Deluxe Buddy Seat rosettes, (ii) the Lock-Tite saddlebag rosettes, and (ii) the accessory rosettes. And, HD referred to the version of the subject seat pictured in the November 1947 Enthusiast as follows: “It is decorated with jewels and plastic ornaments.”

    As to the subject seat, I have only seen references to plastic rosettes. I haven’t yet seen the original October 11, 1946 Milsco Drawing No. AG071 for the side housing subassembly (Milsco Part No. G071). But, even if leather rosettes were ever specified or used for any version of the subject seat (e.g., any mock-up, prototype, test version, or early production version), it looks like they weren’t used for long.

    As to the seat pictured on page 687, I believe that the caption is incorrect. The page 687 seat was probably produced after September 1947.

    Note that the page 687 seat is different than earlier versions of the subject seat (with 2 rivets in the back housing piece; 27 rivets in each side housing piece; and possibly different washers).

    I can’t find it now, but I have previously seen a factory photo of a version of a Deluxe Solo Saddle (pictured all by itself) that may highlight some of the distinguishing features of earlier versions. I believe that the photo may have been taken in or about June or July 1947.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 41craig View Post
    The rosette on the seat has what looks like a chrome washer under the head of the rivet.
    Multiple types of washers were used for Deluxe Solo Saddle rosettes. I believe that a 5/8 inch (outside diameter) washer may have been used for the earliest version of the Deluxe Solo Saddle rosette. For comparison, I believe that a 3/4 inch (outside diameter) washer may have been used for the earliest version of the Deluxe Buddy Seat rosette. I don't know how many types of washers were used for Deluxe Buddy Seat rosettes.

    Example 1 (not sure what type of washer):


    Example 2 (different type of washer, but not sure what type):


    Example 3 (NOS; not sure what type of washer; possibly #10 finishing washer?):


    Example 4 (early version of Deluxe Buddy Seat rosette; possibly 3/4 inch O.D. washer?):


    Example 5 (reproductions):


    Example 6 (accessory "Hi-Ho" leather rosettes; 11754-46):

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    Quote Originally Posted by FCJ View Post
    Multiple types of washers were used for Deluxe Solo Saddle rosettes. I believe that a 5/8 inch (outside diameter) washer may have been used for the earliest version of the Deluxe Solo Saddle rosette. For comparison, I believe that a 3/4 inch (outside diameter) washer may have been used for the earliest version of the Deluxe Buddy Seat rosette. I don't know how many types of washers were used for Deluxe Buddy Seat rosettes.

    Example 1 (not sure what type of washer):


    Example 2 (different type of washer, but not sure what type):


    Example 3 (NOS; not sure what type of washer; possibly #10 finishing washer?):


    Example 4 (early version of Deluxe Buddy Seat rosette; possibly 3/4 inch O.D. washer?):


    Example 5 (reproductions):


    Example 6 (accessory "Hi-Ho" leather rosettes; 11754-46):

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    All the metal hardware, except for the spoon, can be bought from the original supplier that is still in business, which I am very hesitant to name. The cutters for the, leather, round corner rosettes is still made and can still be bought, but the pointed edge rosette cutters are hard to find as they are no longer made, but can be made to order by a number of suppliers. I have only seen one of the five flower design stamps, but it was not in a cutter.
    Last edited by ryan; 08-11-2020 at 09:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan View Post
    All the metal hardware, except for the spoon, can be bought from the original supplier that is still in business, which I am very hesitant to name.
    Why are you hesitant to name the supplier? Are you saying that all the metal hardware (except for the spoon) was supplied by Standard Rivet Company or some other company?
    Last edited by FCJ; 08-11-2020 at 02:11 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FCJ View Post
    Why are you hesitant to name the supplier? Are you saying that all the metal hardware (except for the spoon) was supplied by Standard Rivet Company or some other company?
    You got it, Standard Rivet Company. Did not want to upset the retail bag and seat makers. lol Anyway, the choncho/rosette cutters are Supplies buy Osborne Tool Company.

    https://www.standardrivet.com

    https://www.csosborneleathertools.co...l.php?p_id=369
    Last edited by ryan; 08-11-2020 at 03:14 PM.

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