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    C2K, I can't stress enough how informative Don Emde's book is, and how enjoyable it is to read. As for domestic competition in 1901, there was Orient, and DeDion based cycles used most exclusively for bicycle pacing, so there really wasn't any competition for motorized cycles that could be ridden on the street. Other books that are factual, and well researched are: 'At The Creation' by Herbert Wagner, and books by Stephen Wright, and Jerry Hatfield. These authors are historians who have done the tireless pursuit of research. A lot of people make stuff up to suit their own concept of history, so it's important to find the most accurate material you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exeric View Post
    A lot of people make stuff up to suit their own concept of history, so it's important to find the most accurate material you can.
    Look what is going on right now with the attacks on our history and the efforts made to do cancel it. I'm sure it happened back then as well.
    It was the 50th anniversary of the battle of the greasy grass when LTC Custard lost his life in 1924, maybe this had an impact on them naming the bike Indian. Talks of the Plain's Indians would have definitely been going on that year

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan View Post
    Look what is going on right now with the attacks on our history and the efforts made to do cancel it. I'm sure it happened back then as well.
    It was the 50th anniversary of the battle of the greasy grass when LTC Custard lost his life in 1924, maybe this had an impact on them naming the bike Indian. Talks of the Plain's Indians would have definitely been going on that year
    I think the 50th anniversary of Custer's demise would have been 1926, Ryan!

    Which would be a generation too late to influence Hendee.

    Whatever the reason Folks,.. We can be sure its 'wrong' now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. Cotten View Post
    I think the 50th anniversary of Custer's demise would have been 1926, Ryan!

    Which would be a generation too late to influence Hendee.

    Whatever the reason Folks,.. We can be sure its 'wrong' now.

    ....Cotten
    Yes, you are correct, Cotten, I stand corrected, darn pain or medication and the heat is just brutal here in Ohio. I couldn't even think of The Little Big Horn when I wrote that and had 1926 on my mind instead of 1923. Oh well, it sure sounded good when I wrote it.

    A generation to late? I thought the name was changed to Indian in 1923?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan View Post
    Yes, you are correct, Cotten, I stand corrected, darn pain or medication and the heat is just brutal here in Ohio. I couldn't even think of The Little Big Horn when I wrote that. That is pretty bad when when an engineer messes that simple math up. Lol. Oh well, it sure sounded good to me at the time when I wrote it.
    No need to apologize to me, Ryan!

    I understand.

    Apologize to those who now are re-writing our History, over and over; As if it would do any good.

    ....Cotten
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    I'm surprised no one mentioned the elephant in the room. Most early Indians pre-Dupont were red in color. Just sayin'.
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    Bottom line is that the name of Indian motorcycle was not meant to be derogatory and nor was the name Iron redskin book. It is all in a persons negative twisted mind, and many people are infected with this new type of yet unnamed virus. I have heard that this new virus did not originate in China but in our own schools of higher education.
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    In the 1950s Floyd Clymer published a series of seven volumes of a "Motor Scrapbook," consisting of reprints of early clippings from newspapers and magazines. In an undated piece printed after Hendee's death (which was in 1943) a photo shows him on a 1901 Indian and says about him "Known as the 'Big Chief' of the Indian wigwam, Hendee was in active control for many years."

    I'll go out on a limb and speculate that if today the president of a, say, car company was described in a newspaper as the 'Big Chief' of the Ford wigwam, most readers would be appalled. Times change. It's hardly rewriting history to point out that some things that might have been acceptable 70 years ago aren't acceptable today.

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    When I was kid my dad called everyone chief if he didnt know their name.
    Times do change,especially what causes some be appalled.
    This thread lead me to some internet info about the use of native american indian imagery in advertising.Interesting stuff.
    Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. Cotten View Post
    No need to apologize to me, Ryan!

    I understand.

    Apologize to those who now are re-writing our History, over and over; As if it would do any good.

    ....Cotten
    I will not apologize to any of the cancel culturelist, you cannot change history because it makes you feel good, yesterday is gone! On with the future!

    Indian is a great name and would represent any people well!
    Last edited by ryan; 07-22-2020 at 07:47 PM.

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