1934-1940 Horn

[JTR249]

Joe,
I knew that. I have two 741 parts piles. One almost complete, which is the NOS parts you sold me, that one is going to be a civilian restoration some day. I am almost finished collecting parts with about 10 to go. I decided to put a feather-face horn on it because I liked it so much. Got the horn but not the original face.

For the second 741, I am just doing a half military tribute to my dad. I'm going to send the tank to Alex Trepanier and have my dad's military id put on the side and US ARMY above it on each side of the tank. I might do the scheme in black and gold or forest green and gold--don't know yet. This bike will have the original, INDIAN block letter face horn.

Thanks.
-JR

[FLFD7]

JR,
Not to get too much into the weeds on this but I’d like to point out a few things. Now I know you are all about correct original parts, so I need to point out to you that the 741 used the military version of the 1941-1945 horn. The civilian 1941-1942 horns had the block INDIAN letters, the military bikes had no writing as seen here:

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I forgot what post it was but I did a study on these style horns before, there are blank ones for the military, INDIAN block letters for 1941-1942 civilian bikes, you also find them with AMES or WARDS stamped in the block. You need a blank one if you want original. The picture above is an original but somebody painted silver instead of olive drab. Greers sells the blank ones repoped…

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But more importantly what you got to realize is the horn body for the 1941 style and for the Indian face style are completely different. The correct style horn for the 1941 face has a threaded flat metal plate in the back.

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The horn body you pictured earlier is correct for the Indian face cover, but you can’t mix and match. This is because of the face mounting holes.

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If you look at the 1941 horn on the left the face mounting screw is at the 12:00 position, and 2 more situated 120 degrees apart. If you look at the Indian face horn on the right the mounting screws are offset by 30 degrees, and there are 6 screws 60 degrees apart. So if you switch faces, they will be tilted 30 degrees off.

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Also note in this picture you’ll find the 1941 style horn bodies with either (top left horn) 6 carriage screws (three for the face, three for the vibration plate) of with (bottom left horn) three carriage screws for the face and the vibration plate riveted on.

So if you are going to do two different faces, you’ll need two different horn bodies. And if want to be original, no block INDIAN face.

Joe

[FLFD7]

And just an FYI I found both the AMES and WARDS versions of the 1941 horn at the Hershey car show this past October.

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Unfortunately the horn bodies are different, lacking the flat mounting plate on the back, so I didn’t get them.

[JTR249]

Joe,
I never thought about comparing horn bodies.

Thanks.
-JR

[JTR249]

Here's the one I thought was 1934-1940 feather-face.
-JR Indian 1934-1940 Featherface Horn Front 1.JPG Indian 1934-1940 Featherface Horn Back 2.JPG

[JTR249]

1941 Indian 741 Original Horn.JPG 41-45 Indian 741 Horn D.jpg Original 741 Horn 9.JPG And here's the one I will use for the farm Scout.
-JR

[FLFD7]

Hey JR,
Well, you’re halfway there. The 1941 style horn body is correct, but you got to get the correct mounting bracket. The 741 horn goes on the frame under the gas tank

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And uses an “A” shaped bracket as shown on Greers site

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Also some springs and assorted hardware. So that horn body and face is good. ( If you look closely at the factory photos above you can faintly make out the INDIAN on the face, maybe early production didn’t use the blank covers? )

[FLFD7]

JR,
Unfortunately the horn body for the Indian face is wrong.

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This is what you got

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This is what you need. The upper left horn is correct with the 4 mounting studs, the other 2 are car horns. The car horns do have the 2 flattened areas where studs or screws could be installed, whereas your horn body is rounded over so you can’t put studs there.

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here is a look at the inside of the car horn, you can see there is a flat area so you can convert it.

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You can find these horns at car meets, I got this one at Hershey last year, I think I paid $25, and got it home it works! Will convert it over to an Indian horn.

[FLFD7]

JR,

FYI the mounting hole spacing is the same for both horn bodies

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Joe

[PaulCDF]

"You can find these horns at car meets,"

Interesting what years/makes/model of automobiles had those horns?