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  • The new lithium batteries and a Chief. A miracle!

    An update on a great new improvement. Chief batteries were always a pain. Since the 70's nobody made a good one, close to 29 AmpHour. The cheapo's either lasted a year or leaked at the terminals. Placing a 10-13 Amp Hour jap battery in a shell made it hard to check liquid level. If the liquid disappears while running, kiss your armature goodbye, they actually melt the solder off because the battery is what holds the voltage to 6. Without the battery, it'll try to put out 100.
    I put a little "gel cell", home alarm type battery in a shell. It worked fine around town but on my first trip, to Rhinebeck, NY, the battery exploded 100 miles from home. And I mean exploded, broke the muffle bracket of the muffler and the shell was 1000 pieces.
    Now they make these little, tiny lithium batteries, Shorai, in 6 and 12 volt. They weigh about a half pound and no liquid. I have a Nissan Leaf car, which uses about 1000 of them, not a unproven technology. I used 2 of LFX18L2-BS06 at about $100 each and they fit into a Starklite shell. They can go sideways, upside down, etc. and together weigh maybe a pound. I've now got over 2,000 miles on them and consider it a success. Each battery is 18 amp hours, so in parallel I have 6 volts and 36 amp hours, horns nice and loud.
    To use these though, you absolutely need an electronic voltage regulator, like the one made by Gene Harper. His looks perfect, nobody can tell from outside.
    And to use the electronic regulator the generator is converted from 3 brush to a semi-modern shunted 2 brush. Takes 10 minutes if the generator is "on the bench". It supposedly can be done on the bike, but on the last one I did, the field wire had to be extended an inch, which would have been hard.

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    I agree, the Shorai lithium batteries are great! I've been running them on my Knucklehead, early Chief and 19 X. All of these are running 2 brush generators with a voltage regulator, which is a must! I contacted the Shorai factory rep and they tell me the absolute maximim input voltage is 7.2 volts, anything above that will, over time, cook the battery. I've done a lot of testing with these batteries and my regulators and they perform very well. The only issue I see is if you use one on a magneto model and run for extended periods of time without lights on. The battery will reach full charge and the regulator will shut off powwer to the fields completely. Normally this would not allow any charge into the battery. However with the Shorai, the internal resistance is such that it will allow the generator to send a small mil-amp charge to the battery. This power comes from the residual magnetisim in the pole shoes, just a very small amount. Over time, this will allow the battery voltage to climb above 7.2, in fact on a 1 hour bench test, the voltage was near 10 volts! Note that the charge rate was less that .05 amps. No harm done to the battery, but I wonder about extended rides. The addition of even the smallest load to the system keeps battery voltage down to aprox. 7.25, a small running light did the trick. The best solution is to run with lights on all the time, which the generator and regulator can do, no problem.

    Gene Harper

    www.splitdorfreg.com

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    • #3
      Howdy chaps,

      For us city dwellers with long idle times of low generator output a nice minimal load can be applied with a Clyde Crouch electronic ignition conversion without having to utilize a 4.5 amp spotlight or similar load.
      Cheerio,
      Peter
      #6510
      1950 Vincent - A Red Rapide Experience

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      • #4
        Ya got me there Peter. I don't know what you mean by the conversion adding (?) a light load? Doesn't the electronic ignition use the same voltage/amperage as points or am I missing something?
        Bob
        I am looking to go e-ignition though, will they all work with a 6 volt system? ( I love my coil)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by gharper View Post
          I agree, the Shorai lithium batteries are great!
          The negative terminal broke off my Shorai after about 2200 miles:



          So I'm curious about other experiences folks may have had. Shorai will likely replace it but it won't be free, there will be shipping and some pro-rated fees and before I go and "invest" in another Shorai to replace this one I'm looking for feedback good/bad/or indifferent on the Shorai. I could probably buy a lead-acid for what the replacement will end up costing, but the little thing worked really well.. until this happened!

          Thanks!
          Pisten Bully is Harry Roberts in Vermont.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by pisten-bully View Post
            The negative terminal broke off my Shorai after about 2200 miles:


            Thanks!
            Can that be EPOXIED back in? Picture may not show everything, so I was just wondering....
            Jim

            AMCA #6520

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jim View Post
              Can that be EPOXIED back in?
              Well, it's plated copper and with epoxy, or even if I soldered it, I could never trust it not to leave me stranded like it did last night... two mile walk to where I could hitchhike home! But thanks for the idea anyway!
              Pisten Bully is Harry Roberts in Vermont.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by pisten-bully View Post
                Well, it's plated copper and with epoxy, or even if I soldered it, I could never trust it not to leave me stranded like it did last night... two mile walk to where I could hitchhike home! But thanks for the idea anyway!
                Perfectly understandable not trusting that battery anymore! I know how it is to push a cycle... I pushed my '30VL for about 1.5 miles to get home after running out of gas. (Don't say it...) HUFF, HUFF....

                On the other hand... I have had good luck with JB Weld Epoxy for different things.
                Jim

                AMCA #6520

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                • #9
                  should have called me I would have picked you up!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by phillie View Post
                    should have called me I would have picked you up!
                    Thanks Phil! Better yet... brought me another battery! Wife wasn't home, it was getting dark, so I left it in the care of a perfect stranger overnight!

                    Back in business with a lead-acid, but I'm really curious to know if this terminal breakage thing is an anomaly, a one-time occurence? I had no stress on the terminal the way it was mounted (but there must have been some stress, however)... I'm only trying to determine if I spend the money to get the warranty replacement? If others have found the same (or another) issue with these little batteries I might just chalk it up to one of those good ideas that didn't pan out.
                    Pisten Bully is Harry Roberts in Vermont.

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                    • #11
                      I would like more info on the voltage reg made by Gene Harper if anybody has it.

                      Thanks

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                      • #12
                        Piston-bully, I bet you can fix the Shorai battery terminal and would be better then new. When I installed my Shorai batteries, I did think the terminals looked a bit cheap but they haven't broke yet. So I guess your a battery bully also. ha ha

                        t-jacobs, Here is a link for Gene's regulator.
                        http://www.splitdorfreg.com/index.htm
                        His regulators work great and really improves the charging system.

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                        • #13
                          Thanks Harleytoprock but after looking at his website I see this is not what I am looking for. I would like to find someone making a electronic regulator that looks like an original regulator for my 64 FLH.

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                          • #14
                            Just by way of an update, the Shorai folks sent me a replacement battery with no questions asked and no cost to me. That's a good vendor if you ask me! Now all I need to do is decide if the terminal breaking off was a one time event due to some defect, and this next one will last several years? Or....are the terminals a "weak point". Guess I'll find out!
                            Pisten Bully is Harry Roberts in Vermont.

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                            • #15
                              heres one mans slant tried the eagle pitcher tried shoray had the same result several times they are great around the shop and short runs but when one tries to go for a good ride (150 mi or so ) they swell up or outright fail takeing out you lights and your points fry so a spare batt wont even help have several rides ruined so far nix on those .they dont work for long hate the charging turned down generaters run lights you are still destined for failure if you rely on these paul g bergeron minot maine 7989

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