New 1965 Sporty xlch in the garage and the magneto is the issue....

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  • KNUCK
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2001
    • 814

    #1

    New 1965 Sporty xlch in the garage and the magneto is the issue....

    One minute I have spark and the next I don't. Can't see any loose wires outside of it. My first mag bike so not easy. I bought not running but looks like it ran prior to storage, and stored for 10 years or so. When I got spark motor popped each kick, with a shot of starter fluid. As a side note I drained couple quarts out of bottom end. Any idea???
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  • Rubone
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2004
    • 4768

    #2
    Disconnect the wire to the outside post and see if you have spark. Also, any accumulated dirt, corrosion, or moisture that gets in the mag can seriously affect it. It needs to be spotless inside, the points set and clean, or it won't work. If it has a key switch check that for internal short (take wire off it on inside and see if you get consistent spark).
    Robbie Knight Amca #2736

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    • KNUCK
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2001
      • 814

      #3
      I will get inside and check it out. Has S&S carb so may have to pull it for access. Pulled plug out, checking spark at plug grounded out on rocker and it would spark 4 or 5 kick and then nothing for 10 kicks. Thanks Robbie. Any more thoughts.........
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      • Chris Haynes
        Curmudgeon
        • Jul 2002
        • 5942

        #4
        You will probably have to have the magnets re-magnetized. Not a major deal.
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        • kitabel
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2018
          • 471

          #5
          Replace the condenser
          The Linkert Book

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          • KNUCK
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2001
            • 814

            #6
            I will change the condenser and clean things up a bit and go from there, easy enough to begin with.
            #7558 Take me on and you take on the whole trailer park!

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            • BoschZEV
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2012
              • 520

              #7
              Originally posted by Chris Haynes View Post
              You will probably have to have the magnets re-magnetized.
              This almost certainly isn't necessary, and isn't consistent with the symptoms anyway.
              Originally posted by kitabel View Post
              Replace the condenser
              This is very easy to do and should be done, but the symptoms may point to a problem with the coil. But, change the condenser, clean things up, burnish the points to remove oxide, and check the gap. With luck that may be all it takes.

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              • tator
                New Member
                • Jul 2018
                • 10

                #8
                I was having problems with a magneto on a 1960 XLCH. I put in a new set of excel points and a condenser and had the magneto re-charged. I bought a new coil from Dennis Kirk, still had problems. I sent the magneto out to Rudy Kalin in Forrest Lake MN who does magneto's for just about everything. He found out the condenser value was way off and the aftermarket coils that are floating around on the internet, even though they look and fit identical to the sportster original, they are for a Wisconsin motor and the Wisconsin motor has a big spring inside the magneto to spin them real fast, so that coil will run a sportster according to Rudy if you could get a gorilla to kick it fast enough. So he installed a different coil and different condenser. It is now a 2 kick bike. I am just posting this so you stay away from the Chinese coil and the excel condenser. Hope this helps. If you want to send your magneto to Rudy, here is his phone #651-233-6655.

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                • T. Cotten
                  Gadfly from the Dumpster
                  • Jun 2001
                  • 8222

                  #9
                  Damn those Wisconsin motors, Tator!

                  They are why NGK switched their A-6 plugs to resistors without telling anyone.

                  Every mag 'magnet' that crossed my benches needed "re-magnetized".

                  I think its really "re-polarized", but electrons are out of my zodiac.

                  ....Cotten
                  PS: I'm pretty sure that included my own Edison-Splitdorf; I trusted a reliable mag-meister in the next town.
                  All I remember is that its got a B&S coil.
                  Last edited by T. Cotten; 02-13-2019, 02:22 PM.
                  AMCA #776
                  Dumpster Diver's Motto: Seek,... and Ye Shall Find!

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                  • KNUCK
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 814

                    #10
                    Thanks all, I did a test on the condenser, seemed fine, original Fairbanks. I will likely change it if still a no go. Thanks for the number tator as my electrical skills are weak and I have no patience, I'm not a doctor.
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                    • KNUCK
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2001
                      • 814

                      #11
                      I see Cotton and I joined the AMCA Forum the same month in 2001. That is a long time ago! Charter members?
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                      • Chris Haynes
                        Curmudgeon
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 5942

                        #12
                        Rudy Kalin is the man. He did the Wico Magneto for my Model A Ford.
                        Be sure to visit;
                        http://www.vintageamericanmotorcycles.com/main.php
                        Be sure to register at the site so you can see large images.
                        Also be sure to visit http://www.caimag.com/forum/

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                        • BoschZEV
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2012
                          • 520

                          #13
                          Originally posted by KNUCK View Post
                          Thanks all, I did a test on the condenser, seemed fine,
                          What test did you do? If you simply checked its resistance, and even if you found a high value, that's not good enough. If a condenser fails the resistance test with a standard ohmmeter it definitely won't work in a magneto, but passing that test does not mean it will.

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                          • KNUCK
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2001
                            • 814

                            #14
                            Thanks Chris and Bosch for the last 2 bits of information, will likely send it out as electrical is my weak area.
                            #7558 Take me on and you take on the whole trailer park!

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                            • kurly
                              Member
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 90

                              #15
                              Rudy fixed the mag on my steel wheeled Farmall F-12 tractor. I was so frustrated as it would always start will a pull from a truck but take 1000 turns with the crank. It now starts perfect. Rudys the man.

                              Curly

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