Square tool box

[Sargehere]

"The diagonals of a square are perpendicular"
...This isn't true with a rectangle.
While the diagonals of a square are perpendicular (at 90 deg. angles to each other) the diagonals of a rectangle are NOT perpendicular to each other. Lets go back to our 1 x 1000 triangle above. Those two diagonals are anything but perpendicular. They are almost parallel. On that triangle they sit at 0.1146 deg and 179.8854 deg. to each other.
It's a RECTANGULAR tool box!

I agree it's a rectangular object, but the diagonals (bisecting the 90º corners of the figure at 45º) ARE perpendicular (as long as "perpendicular" is still defined as lines 90º to each other), but in a square those diagonals bisect the span of their opposite diagonals from corner-to-corner of the figure, and in a rectangle, the perpendiculars do not "meet in the middle."

[MMasa]

Rub may make fun of me again for commenting on 6th grade math, but...

Sargehere, I'm not following you. Are you saying that the diagonals of neither a square or a rectangle intersect in the middle? In the middle of the diagonals or the middle of the shape (square / rectangle)? Or are you saying that the diagonals of any and all rectangles intersect each other at a 90 deg angle? (perpendicular)
The following will ALWAYS apply to ANY parallelogram, square, or rectangle;
A diagonal will bisect the opposite diagonal into two equal segments.
The intersection of the diagonals occurs at the geometric center of the shape.

As a side note to everyone reading this thread, I agree that this is a completely ridiculous conversation.
However, when someone states something as an absolute fact that I know is blatantly incorrect, I have to say something.
I could say that a circle is a triangle, that red is blue or that up is down. Just because someone says something, it doesn't make it true.
WMD's anyone?
If someone asked me for a "SQUARE" toolbox, I would know what they wanted. I would also know a little more about the person asking.

[jorrow]

The art of motorcycle restoration would probably fall under the category of an exact science or study of "correctness". This hobby is made up of many personailty types, those that see things simplistically, and those that strive for the exactness of detail that has led to increased standards of quality. Those people who think in terms of perfection will always see the detail in every word read and printed. The others cannot see the big deal if everyone knows what the topic is about. There is room for all, as diversity makes the sport both fun and challenging.

[Sargehere]

Masa, I also agree that this is a completely ridiculous conversation. But what is life? The diagonals of any rectangular object are always perpendicular to each other, and that's what I said. Probably threw you off that I was using "rectangular" in the general sense of "any object with only 'right angled' corners." Every square is a rectangle, but not vice-versa. With "diagonals bisecting the 90º corners of the figure at 45º." In a square they meet in the middle, dead center of the object. In a rectangle, with two of the parallel sides stretched, relative to the other sides, they don't. That's all.
We all (well most of us) agree that a square is not a rectangle, that the pre-40 toolbox is a rectangle, and a VL toolbox has one corner clipped out. Glad to see Eldon Brown's website. I have one of his oil gauge's for my '37, but still have a U.B.S.-stamped toolbox. And I don't care. I don't even carry anything in it, except a rag, to keep it from rattling.
All the best!

[D.Mac]

If someone asked me for a "SQUARE" toolbox, I would know what they wanted. I would also know a little more about the person asking.[/QUOTE]

Umm... So's that a tool box for someone that just ain't hip, or is the tool box itself uncool?
I think you guys should get together and "bump" pocket protectors.
Doug.

[t-jacobs]

Is an oval a circle?

[Chris Haynes]

An oval is a circle that is going fast. At least that it what the wheels of old time racers look like.

[silentgreyfello]

The diagonals of any rectangular object are always perpendicular to each other, and that's what I said. Probably threw you off that I was using "rectangular" in the general sense of "any object with only 'right angled' corners." Every square is a rectangle, but not vice-versa. With "diagonals bisecting the 90º corners of the figure at 45º." In a square they meet in the middle, dead center of the object. In a rectangle, with two of the parallel sides stretched, relative to the other sides, they don't. That's all.

Diagonals of a rectangle (non-square type) are NOT perpendicular to each other. The "diagonal" goes from one corner to the opposite corner. Only on square rectangles, are the diagonals perpendicular. All diagonals on squares are perpendicular. Some diagonals on rectangles are perpendicular (when the rectangular is a square). Harley never made a square toolbox, but made lots of rectangular ones, though I hear them called "square" toolboxes. I have two NOS "square" toolboxes, one without the notch in the corner (bigtwin?) and the other has a notch in the RH upper corner (45?).

And, no, an oval is not a circle, nor is it a teardrop.

[Sargehere]

I defined in post #16 that what i was calling "diagonal" was the bisection of a 90º corner: two 45º angles, regardless of where the other corner is. You're coming from "corner-to-corner," which I agree varies in a rectangle. Both the 45's of the corners are perpendicular to each other. Every math question begins with definitions.

This is a ridiculous conversation. But so is life. "Life" is a terminal disease. We're all dying of it. No one gets out alive. Doctors and undertakers have job security.

[Lonnie]

It would seem that the opinions expressed in this thread are diametrically opposed.

[Rubone]

I guess this poor guy slept through math class. Either that or his dog ate his homework!
Robbie
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-1...item230c1324ea

[Steve Little]

First off lets get the name right. They are rectangular, not square. I have several original rectangular boxes and they all have steel locks. The tumbler part of the lock is recessed from the top edge of the lock. Reproductions have the tumbler area close to the top edge of the lock. Older reproductions are marked RBE inside the box on the back wall. Newer re pops are not marked but have the visibly re pop lock in them. Re pops never have the hinge lock to hold the lid open but then not all originals have this lock either. See the difference between the lock on the chrome repop and the original black box below.

Chris, before this thread got sidelined by the incorrect wording used by some, you said you have a few toolboxes that have Steel locks.
But you did not clarify that this is one way to define a original toolbox...as opposed to a brass lock for a reproduction.
Can you or anyone else make this clarifcation. Or can you clarify if brass was also used....and if so, for what period
Regards Steve

[Clydeflathead]

I guess this poor guy slept through math class. Either that or his dog ate his homework!
Robbie
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-1...item230c1324ea

If that toolbox was NOS, why does it have a 47-48 patent decal ?

[Rollo]

Well to add to the confusion the original tool box on my 36 VLH has a brass lock and does not have the thing to keep it open but I can see where it looks like it should have been. There are two little what appear to be rivit heads, one on the box and one on the lid about 2 inches down from the top on the right hand side.

Tom (Rollo) Hardy
AMCA #12766

[len dowe]

Good for you matt. Is it a 45",vl or el... (was it from the BIG parts stash that your dad bought?)