gx1 wheeler-schebler

[milw.pirates]

Was there ever a air intake horn or cover for a gx1 carb?

[schmittm]

Ken,
The "G" Model Scheblers, including the GX1, were all 1" carbs with two-hole flanges on the manifold end. They could also be clamped to the intake. The air intake end of the carb body was slightly flared or bell shaped with no provision for mounting a cover.

I don't think there was ever a cover available for them.

don't shoot me if I'm wrong

mike

[milw.pirates]

air intake

Mike,
I answered my own question,during one of my visit's to the new h-d museum,they have a B model with a GX1 carb,it has what looks like small tin can with air vents,and four tabs on the carb end that are clamped to the outside of the carb intake,with what looks like a hose clamp.
Ken #6457

[Chris Haynes]

Mike,
I answered my own question,during one of my visit's to the new h-d museum,they have a B model with a GX1 carb,it has what looks like small tin can with air vents,and four tabs on the carb end that are clamped to the outside of the carb intake,with what looks like a hose clamp.
Ken #6457

So you believe that everything in that museum is correct?

[schmittm]

Ken,
I may have to go with Chris on this one, "original" bikes that Harley has had stored for many years may not always have correct parts on them, some of the stored VL's that Steve Slocombe has personally inspected are prime examples.

The cover on the B Model may be exactly what it looks like, a tin can with some holes punched in it held on by a hose clamp. Something home made to catch small birds or large insects, or to keep their pants legs from choking off the air flow.

These are scans from the period Wheeler-Schebler catalog, there is no mention of a cover. Most of the other models in the same book have photos in the diagram and parts numbers listed for covers if they were available. As you can see, the "G" models have a flared air intake end on the body and no provision for mounting a cover.

sorry about the poor scans, no charge.......

mike

[milw.pirates]

air intake cover

Mike ,
I would agree,that not everything in the museum is correctly restored,I have seen this style air intake on other models,most photos show no air intake horn or (filter),cover assy. for a,B,BA model,
Ken #6457

[Chris Haynes]

A few years ago the MoCo decided that the ORIGINAL PAINT on some of the bikes needed repainting (GROAN). They farmed the bikes out to be detailed and repainted. I saw some of the bikes afterwards. It was obvious that several were torn down and reassembled at the same time as parts were mixed up. Stepped hubs on post 1939 machines and non stepped hubs on the 36-39's. Why in the world those butt heads restored original paint machines is beyond me.
The Henry Ford also restored their original paint 1907 that was a gift from the MoCo.

[Tommo]

You guys certainly know how to get a blokes blood pressure up. I sit here half a world away and shake my head at some of the dribble that appears here.
Firstly I presume we're talking about Schebler-Wheeler carbs as fitted to Harley-Davidsons and not other makes.
1928 was the first year of the air cleaner can and if you measure a twin air horn adaptor and the air horn on a Scheebler-Wheeler you will find that the dimensions are exactly the same.
Now go to a 1925 to 1929 Parts Book and look at Part Number 1401-28 Air Cleaner and Clamp you will find that in the "USED ON" column it just says "1928 & 1929" which means all models, singles included.
Now if I wasn't so sick and recovering from major surgery I'd go to my collection of original "Shop Dope" bulletins and quote the number and the date where the factory reccommended the retrofit of the air cleaner onto earlier models.
This post may be a bit harsh on some but please if you don't know don't talk rubbish.
Peter Thomson
AMCA # 2777

[Chris Haynes]

I'm wunderin' who peed in Tommo's canteen. ;-)

[milw.pirates]

ported air sleeve

The 22-26 models book shows part no.1127-17 and part no. 1127-21,both called ported air sleeve,covers twin models from,17-26.
the 22-28 models book,shows same part no.,covers up to 1927 twins.
the 26-39 models book,shows same part and part no.,in picture,part number not in parts list.
so....... getting back to the original question,did the Gx-1 carb for 1926 singles come from the factory with a,(1) air horn,(2) air cleaner,(3) ported air sleeve....?
Ken #6457

[Chris Haynes]

Here is a factory photo of a 1926.

[milw.pirates]

air intake

Chris,
does your photo show anywhere the date of photo or year of bike ?
the reason I ask,is the adjustable oil pump,the air intake is the same as the bike on display at the H-D museum,that bike is a 28.
thanks for photo
Ken

[schmittm]

there is no doubt the carb in the photo that Chris posted is a "G" model. The air cleaner in the picture is the 1401-28 that Tommo mentioned above, and as he said, the parts catalog (mine is the 1930-1940 edition) shows that it was used from 1928 to 1932, no specific bike model is indicated so it was a one size fits all.

mike

[Tommo]

1127-17 and 1127-21 have nothing to do with what is being discussed here as they are not an air cleaner of any sort. Basically they are extra air devices for a Schebler model H carb, high speed lean outs for the want of a better discription.
Mike the short answer is "NO" 1926 and 1927 singles would not have left the factory with the 1401-28 air cleaner fitted.
The photo above is clearly 1928 because as well as the two points you made there are two further things that scream later than 1926.
Firstly the thicker reinforced engine mounts that were a 1927 mod and secondly the gearbox oil snout that was a 1928 mod.
Someones clearly misguided by dating this image 1926 and when it appeared in Jerry Hatfields book "Inside Harley-Davidson" on p69 it was undated but it does have a HD image reference number in the bottom right hand corner.

[Chris Haynes]

If you look above the photo the caption tells you it is a 1926.