1911 Racycle

[pem]

More photos. I'm trying to find the one I have of Doc Patt and his Waverley v-twin. I've posted the photo of Tom Wilcox's motor that he sent me. He is a lucky guy. I also forgot but I think he might also have an original gas/oil tank too. Tom, didn't you own those two Waverley v-twins at one time that came from John Goiorno?

[pem]

Sorry Tommo for taking over your original post. My bad!

Here is Doc Patt's Jefferson motor and the other photo is the fantasy bike that I believe has the motor now along with the original Jefferson tanks.

[Tommo]

Steve,
Why did you pose the question if you already knew the answer?

[painterdale]

Dick, Thanks! That is a fascinating story. I think I remember some of this information from a post of yours a while back. Can't remember where it was but I seem to recall you were talking about some of the interviews you had done or were trying to get. While doing the Google image search thing I had noticed that some of the bottom ends said Waverley, some said Mack and others were blank. That would have been my next question but you got that all cleared up.
I really appreciate the folks like you that have obviously spent years acquiring all of this information and yet freely share it with us!

Tommo, I apologize for side tracking your thread!

Thanks, Dale

[Steve Slocombe]

Dear Dick, I'm a UK book publisher with six ISBN numbers still to use. I didn't think there was a book more obscure than mine on exotic Harley VL gearboxes but am happy to be proved wrong. Digital desk top publishing means these specialist topics can be addressed in low volume books for hard core enthusiasts like us. Let me know if you need a hand.

[Tom Wilcock]

Dick: I did not own the two Waverley v-twins that came from John Goiorno. I only wish I did. I don't own an original gas/oil tank. I only wish I did. I have a repro tank for my project. I have pictures of a couple of original gas tanks. One is the one you took at Davenport. I hope you proceed with your book. Tom

[exeric]

Can someone identify this bike, and it's year? The setting looks like the far West, or the Deep South.

[pem]

Dick: I did not own the two Waverley v-twins that came from John Goiorno. I only wish I did. I don't own an original gas/oil tank. I only wish I did. I have a repro tank for my project. I have pictures of a couple of original gas tanks. One is the one you took at Davenport. I hope you proceed with your book. Tom

Thanks Tom, that's what I get for not looking at my notes. My remembry is getting worse the older I get. I just remembered that a guy from Canada had bought Giorno's v-twins back in the day. I really like your copy of the 1912 PEM/Waverley sales brochure. That is one rare piece. I know of two others. My copy doesn't have the PEM stamp. Our copies are probably as rare as Tommo's Raycycle piece.

Eric, the bike on the right I believe it is a 1913 or 14 Jefferson. By late 1914 the Waverley Mfg. Co. was already on the skids and just filling parts orders. 1914 was the last year of the GOLDEN AGE OF MOTORCYCLING. IMHO. By the way the Jefferson locals refereed to the P.E.M. as "Push Every Morning" or "Push Every Mile". The citizens of Jefferson invested a lot of their own money in the company before it went under. I'm sure it left a bad tatse in their mouths. It was underfunded from the beginning.

[exeric]

Thanks for the i.d. on the Jefferson, Dick. I agree with you that 1914 was the end of motorcycling's most incredible era, but it also seemed to be the end of World's age of innocence (?) before the first world war.

[exeric]

I just wanted to say how educational this thread has been. Getting such knowledgeable people to share their research, and hard found information is what the AMCA is all about. This is as good as it gets, and I would love to see more of this about obscure, and near forgotten gems from the pioneer days of motorcycles.

[Jim]

If you could identify the palm tree... maybe that could tell you the area of where it was taken. I also like the "kid" on the porch looking at the kitten. Good stuff!!

[exeric]

I thought about that, Jim. We have big palmettos here in Florida that can look like that one when they get old. But I think palmettos are pretty hearty, and grow in a rather wide longitudinal band through the U.S. Wherever that picture was taken, it was probably in the Southern half of the U.S., and that make you wonder how a Jefferson got to the South West, or South East. That's the fun part about these priceless old pictures; speculating on who, what, where, and when.

[Jim]

I thought about that, Jim. We have big palmettos here in Florida that can look like that one when they get old. But I think palmettos are pretty hearty, and grow in a rather wide longitudinal band through the U.S. Wherever that picture was taken, it was probably in the Southern half of the U.S., and that make you wonder how a Jefferson got to the South West, or South East. That's the fun part about these priceless old pictures; speculating on who, what, where, and when.

I had no idea where those trees were indigenous too. It looks like a train station. I 'think' that may be a ticket window just to the left of the palm tree and a bulletin board to the right of it. OR... maybe there are enough points that we could identify the fingerprint going over the palm tree?? LOL