Replica Early Harleys

[kval]

[QUOTE=William McClean;84848]When the Replica is 35 Years old it will be eligible

Bill
the answer is NO!!!! reproduction motors are an instant DQ
and if they try to enter it as a motorcycle made in 2009, it must be a mass produced with its own running gear(motor and trans) to be eligible for judging

[flat-happy]

looks like someone got a deal---bet it will be in the coast to coast race next year

[William McClean]

Replica Class

When the Replica is 35 Years old it will be eligible

Patina Masters, get to work !

[Greg H]

Not even street legal!

But hey, for the same $ you could own this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Antiq...=p4506.c0.m245

[jurassic]

the new timeless creation

well there goes the nieghborhood,god help us all.

[exeric]

I think the original intent of the founders was to get people to bring their bikes out and judging was an incentive to get the compulsive over achievers, and (dare I say) snobs with great collections to do just that. It worked way beyond anyone's expectations and we are the beneficiaries of seeing beautifully restored bikes and super rare machines that would have returned to the earth. They would have returned to the earth without the dedication of those compulsive nuts and the REPRODUCTION parts that we are incredibly blessed with. Not much escapes the AMCA judging system and downright copies are pretty easy to spot. I suspect the outrage is comming from myopic paranoia.

[T. Cotten]

"Posterity will mistake it for the real thing, because we said so."

I believe Mr. Cotten has hit it on the perverbial head. Let the repops/recreations be judged
at the AMCA meets in a special category.
Dick

Oh, Sweet Cheeses.

What's next: A "Replica" Easy Rider Captain America Chopper Class?

My firm position is that even the super-silly un-judgeable Period Modified Class should be abolished post-haste!

I stand with our Founders that the purpose of the judging system is to keep History as pure as possible.

Myself, I was never lucky enough to inherit or afford a judgeable machine, and most likely never shall.
None the less, it would only compromise the history that I do treasure, if the only legitmate sanctioning organization threw the doors wide open.
Pandering to egos, and glorifying counterfeits only opens opportunities for misrepresentation,
fraud, self-serving revisionism, and at the very least, hurt egos and malice toward the AMCA itself.

Enough good-ol'-boy cronyism and politicks has compromised the reputation of judging already!

Isn't there already an enormous industry of magazines, tribal websites, and cable channel pseudo-documentaries fostering new creations?
Does the AMCA really need to tap into that chaos?

Everyone has the right to play with their own toys any way they wish to do so.
And to re-create history to preserve history can be commended by all of us.
But to enfranchise fraud queers the intent of those who laid the very foundations of this time-honored organization.

....Cotten
AMCA #776

[pem]

"Posterity will mistake it for the real thing, because we said so."

I believe Mr. Cotten has hit it on the perverbial head. Let the repops/recreations be judged
at the AMCA meets in a special category. You guys decide on the name. If a repop bike is judged, stamp or inscribe the frame with a special number to identify it as a "fake". Most frames in these type of bikes are recreations but so are some motors. Maybe the motors will have to be stamped too. I also realize that there are some very good machinist that would laugh at this as removing stamps from cases and frames can be done.

If you want your repop bike judged you will have to have it stamped. Our club would be the logical authority to verify and enforce this new ploicy.

If nothing is done to identify these bikes, in 50 years when most of us are dead you know somebody will be selling them as originals. I can see it now, a row of 15 1903 Harley's infront
of a row of 25 eight-valves.

Dick

[exeric]

If you want to talk Fake then take a look at just about every knucklehead and post war Indian Chief at an AMCA event. The early bikes of pre 1920 vintage certainly have their reproduction parts but that was done to get them ridable again. I don't think anyone would argue that making a Yale run after 75 years of silence, is not a noble accomplishment and a benefit to all of the members that want to see, hear, and smell a motorcycle of historic signifigance. The people that are addicticted to the early motorcycles know what they are looking at and know what parts are rare, what parts are usually missing, and who's making the reproduction. If there is monkey business going on in the world of collectible motorcycles, look at the bikes with recirculating oil systems, i.e. Knuckleheads. There are masters at work making "barn fresh" Knuckleheads. I wouldn't buy a Knucklehead these days, unless I could afford to pay Chris Haynes fee to appraise it.

[T. Cotten]

Conjuring parts is not a sin. Its a lot of hard work if you can do it well.

But the bottom line is that conjuring provenance is against the law. That's fraud when the piece gets cashed in.

Yet of course, everyone 'says' they never intend to part with their artsyfacts.
And its sure hard to sue an estate liquidation for hearsay.

We should all show great concern when the AMCA perpetuates perpetrators, especially when it makes its way into the hardcopy magazine.
Posterity will mistake it for the real thing, because we said so.

Perpetuating Perpetrators of Phony Provenance for Posterity.
Let's call it the PPPPP Class!

I've got one ready.

....Cotten

[bmh]

Well put Eric, truly it is buyer beware. I've been known to crawl over under and anywhere else the current owner will let me for 2 hours or more before I even decide if I think I might want to purchase the machine. And If I don't know much about what I'm looking at I take someone who does.

[exeric]

Lonnie presented the perfect solution but it's obvious that there is a stubbourness in the AMCA that can't be changed. Personally, I choose to defend the craftsmen that have resurrected so many hopeless basket case gems with their perfect reproduction parts. There will always be people of low morals that will try to palm bogus bikes, but if you know what you're looking at you can't be fooled.

[INLINE4NUT]

The trouble is FAKE is FAKE!! I dont care if the POPE owns one !! It just is not right ! But then again half of what is wrong in our great country stems from Make Believe !!

[Chris Haynes]

Plymouth only made I think 14 Hemi Cudas in 1970 and any serious collector can probably tell you where all of the remaining 7 or 8 are and who owns them.

One of them is owned by a guy at Disney Studios in Burbank, CA. He drives it to work a couple times a month.

[knuckleheadmike]

I think the idea of a "reproduction" bike category is worth considering. I'm in the process of determining if my frame is correct for my cases (thanks Steve Little and others). If it isn't then I'm going to restore it to as close to factory standards as I can most likely using the frame I have. But if it means using a reproduction frame I'd still enjoy being judged on my efforts in researching the correct parts to use even if those parts are not original. I also think a registry is a good idea, especially on the early very rare bikes. Plymouth only made I think 14 Hemi Cudas in 1970 and any serious collector can probably tell you where all of the remaining 7 or 8 are and who owns them. It's important to give an original car or motorcycle it's proper designation. If I find that I have a frame that matches my cases then I'd like to see it registered through some official judging process and have it recognized as an "original". Just my 2 cents worth.