The clubs rule on paint colors

[Chris Haynes]

The club will allow any factory color used five years before, or after the machine was built. I don't understand the reasoning for this. Granted that for many years H-D advertised that you could order your machine any previous years color, how can they allow a color that wasn't available util five years after the bike was built?
A friend has a letter on H-D factory letter head from 1941, signed by William S. Harley, advising the customer that he can have his machine painted any color he wants for an additional $7.50. But how can someone document that their machine was originally a custom color from the MoCo?
I have order blanks from Molenaar H-D showing police bikes ordered with the citys police name and police dept number applied.

[bmh]

Where did you get that info on the paint rules? My AMCA handbook of judging states in section VI under guidline 2 that " a motorcycle may be painted any authentic color available for the year of manufacture." and on page 15 " Totally wrong paint color will be subject to the incorrect paint rule and a 6 point deduction will be given". So I guess you can paint it polka-dot if you don't mind the deduction. But if you're gonna restore a bike why not just pick one of the correct colors. no one knows or really cares if it was originally Rio Blue and you liked Persian Red better.
Brian

[Chris Haynes]

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Ah Ha!
We have yet another AMCA Number 1 SPAMMER.
Moderator. Kick his ass outta here.

[kval]

Brian
you are correct, only colors offered for that year are allowed. UNLESS the owner has factory documentation saying they will offer other colors from previous years. Indian sales brochure in the DuPont years stated "any DuPont color for an additional charge", so the owner better be able to prove that DuPont made that color. I have no idea where that plus or minus 5 years came from.
Kevin

[Chris Haynes]

So if a bike that won a Junior first a year or two ago, with non year model published paint colors,comes back into judging he will receive a 6 point hit?

[kval]

Chris
if a bike with the wrong color judged a few years ago got a junior first, it should already have the 6 point deduction. the rule has been in effect for over 5 years now
Kevin

[bobdo]

skyway blue

There was a beautiful '48 Panhead in the judging building at Davenport. ( great time by the way) The owner said he had carefully matched the color from a factory can. People in the know also stated that it appeared to be an accurate Azure Blue. This has me concerned, because I'm about to paint my '47 in Skyway Blue & dang if it doesn't look very similar. Are Azure Blue & Skyway Blue close in Hue? I purchased my paint from a very reputable antique motorcycle supplier. If the blue is off a bit even though it was purchased as Skyway, how does that effect judging? Bob

[Chris Haynes]

Many times H-D simply gave a color a new name.

[INLINE4NUT]

It is my understanding all colors maybe close but a little off,the hue may have changed just a little I worked for one of the oldest dealers in the country and as old as he was, older than dirt, he never once said any different, but there again no paper work to back it up . I do not have or have I had any original paint HDs or Indians judged,Its all hearsay unless you have the color codes to back it up, Steve Johnson did a fine job of that with Indian paint but theres still are alot of unanswered questions about all of it. Take the HiFi colors of the sixties the base coat had alot to do with the finished product hifi red and hifi sunglo red are not the same as far as I know

[Lonnie]

The '48 FL we restored a few years back was also color-matched to original Azure Blue paint in an original H-D can. The closest paint I have seen to that shade is Chrysler's Petty Blue. Azure Blue is, for lack of a better word, "brighter" than Skyway Blue. However, trying to determine if one shade of any color is similar to another based on memory or even from photographs is not possible. Only if you have the two bikes side-by-side can you make a determination.

[Chris Haynes]

It is my understanding all colors maybe close but a little off,the hue may have changed just a little I worked for one of the oldest dealers in the country and as old as he was, older than dirt, he never once said any different, but there again no paper work to back it up . I do not have or have I had any original paint HDs or Indians judged,Its all hearsay unless you have the color codes to back it up, Steve Johnson did a fine job of that with Indian paint but theres still are alot of unanswered questions about all of it. Take the HiFi colors of the sixties the base coat had alot to do with the finished product hifi red and hifi sunglo red are not the same as far as I know

There is a partial list on page 411 of Palmer.

[Chris Haynes]

The '48 FL we restored a few years back was also color-matched to original Azure Blue paint in an original H-D can. The closest paint I have seen to that shade is Chrysler's Petty Blue. Azure Blue is, for lack of a better word, "brighter" than Skyway Blue. However, trying to determine if one shade of any color is similar to another based on memory or even from photographs is not possible. Only if you have the two bikes side-by-side can you make a determination.

When Peter Heintz was Chief judge he told us not to nit pick a "shade" of a color.

[PaintPro]

Just a quick side note...all the Hi Fi colors were applied over a very fine silver base coat that had a very low metallic hold out. That means the particles of the base color are smaller and less noticable. The later Sun Glo colors are applied over various metallic base coats that are more color matched to the top coat. An example would be a gold metallic base under a red top coat...it gives a much more vibrant red in the final color. Sun Glo colors have a coarser grind metallic base so they sparkle more.

[Chris Haynes]

Just a quick side note...all the Hi Fi colors were applied over a very fine silver base coat that had a very low metallic hold out. That means the particles of the base color are smaller and less noticable. The later Sun Glo colors are applied over various metallic base coats that are more color matched to the top coat. An example would be a gold metallic base under a red top coat...it gives a much more vibrant red in the final color. Sun Glo colors have a coarser grind metallic base so they sparkle more.

We had a problem with that at Dixon the first year that Robin Markey was officiating the judging there. He claimed it looked like metal flake paint to him and busted the guys score on his correctly painted 1965 FLH. So much for an Indian man judging a Harley. ;-)

[Steve Slocombe]

Dear All, Harley re-used some of the colours under different names, and checking the part numbers gives the clue. For instance, 1939 Airway Blue is the same as the earlier Seafoam Blue, and 1940 Clipper Blue is the same as VL Venetian Blue. The 1936-48 parts book gives the same paint code for Teak Red as Flight Red. In addition, Antique Cycle Supply send you the same paint sample for Vermilion as for Mandarin Red, and the same for Coach Green as for Sherwood Green. Verdant Green and Brilliant Green also seem to be the same. Best regards.