On Line Library

[pete reeves]

I have hundreds of pieces from the teens to date. When the members can download it I will loan it to them.

Perhaps the library could be set up so that anybody who donates material could specify if they want the club to charge members to view or down load it?

Allowing this would ensure that potential donors like Chris,who want to support the club library but will not contribute because they do not agree with the charging policy could do so.
This would increase the amount of material in the library benefiting the members with more free down loads such as the Ace document that is already available for members free of charge.

Pete Reeves 860

[Chris Haynes]

Perhaps the library could be set up so that anybody who donates material could specify if they want the club to charge members to view or down load it?

Allowing this would ensure that potential donors like Chris,who want to support the club library but will not contribute because they do not agree with the charging policy could do so.
This would increase the amount of material in the library benefiting the members with more free down loads such as the Ace document that is already available for members free of charge.

Pete Reeves 860

I think a fee for viewing the library could be successful. But certainly not 20-50 bucks per document.
Although I don't the the knowledge on how to download documents I have scanned I can E Mail the file. Which I have done many times at no charge. I guess I am just not so greedy to charge for a virtual item.

[Chris Haynes]

[QUOTE=Steve Slocombe;69586]Dear Chris, your $10 Ebay item was a reprint 14 page owners' handbook and not a workshop manual. The nosparts.com manual is for the WLC and not the WLA and the length is not specified. I don't see the WLA shop manual in the Club Virtual Library for sale elsewhere, and increasingly we'll find that the fresh material in our library is not available from other vendors.

I bought this one at a swap meet for 20 bucks. They aren't impossible to find. I see them on eBay now and then. Too bad that Mr. Bob Michael chose to write his name on it with a felt tip pen. He also put his full name and address on both the inside front and back cover.



The TM10-1175 manual is available as a reprint. I believe Antique Cycle Supply carries it. Here is one on eBay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1940-...spagenameZWDVW

Here is one for the XA on a disc for two bucks.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1942-Military-Ma...QQcmdZViewItem

This stuff is out there. All you have to do is look for it.

[Baytown]

Dear Ken, thanks for your constructive comments and Larry Barnes and I won't quit until you're happy with what you have. If there are errors in digitising or labelling then these will be corrected, and you will pay only for the right documents of good quality. The digital watermarking idea was proposed at the start of the project and is still being investigated.

Thanks for your reply Steve. I also received a reply from Larry to my original e-mail today. I very much appreciate the effort the AMCA team are putting in to get this asset up and running, and as mentioned in a previous post, understand there will be teething trouble and fine tuning required.
As long as my concerns are looked into, I'm happy.
Best wishes Steve.

Ken.

[INLINE4NUT]

larry thank you for your input and your valuable time! Im sure bandwidth is not cheap! The pricing once people see what goes into this behind the scenes will realize what a deal they are getting

[Chris Haynes]

Here is a reprint of the TM 10-1175 for 11 pounds. However much that is.
http://www.milweb.net/go/groucho/usa.htm

[Mark Woodstock]

I think the online library is a great idea. I hope we are going to have photos as well, as we all know knowledge is eveything when restoring a bike. But here we go again with this Club and the issue of money and lack of communication. Did we have a budget for this project and if so, how much, or was it an open check book? I know the sum of $50,000 is out there, which is a lot of money. Was that for equipment necessary for the start-up of this site or for salaries? The bigger qustion I have is the fees charged to download from this site, is that being charged to cover expenses of the site, or will the Club make a profit from this? If the true intention of this site is to benefit the members, then guys like Chris should be encouraged to make their contribution to the site, and be able to make the call as to whether the Club will charge members who want to benefit from their contribution.

[Coolbreeze]

I have no idea what it costs to run this forum. This is a great service to members and is an attractive feature of belonging to AMCA. I spent a few bucks having a 1956 Harley KH sales brochure digitized into a couple (2 sides) .pdf files. I am happy to share this with fellow members through the library, but it irks me that they will be charged. I guess I'll calm down eventually and give my files to AMCA for the library, but right now I am bit too miffed to cooperate.

[sludge]

I think that charging 50 bucks for a scan is an absolute rip off.

i couldn't agree more.

[45OZ]

Members dues Paid for Library?

I just saw this thread & looked at the library The thought occoured to me About the Milby Jones Auction at the Jefferson swap meet, a few years back. I was there & was outbid & over paid on some of the litterature I wanted because are Club President was bidding up a lot of the items, the club way outbid members because we were told it was going to be used as a reserch library, for the club. So the club dues paid for the stuff members were outbid by the club for the literature, then members are being charged for the use of the materails that the members had already paid for??? that does'nt seem fair, especially when you take into consideration the the Club magazine in the older issues reprinted the original brochures in the magazine for the members. Why not just do it again?? The current club magazine is nice with the stories, The Ads, the pictures, But it is lacking in the orignal technical info & Reprinted original Brouchures. I just looked thru some of my early magazines again & they are loaded with original reprints, & guess what the are all excellent & no extra charge to members. I just thought this club was for the members to help each other exchange info & tech info with each members not another sales tool. Just my thoughts kickin around, not trying to ruffle any feathers any other thoughts on this/ thanks for the chance to talk.

[exeric]

I too was at that Jefferson meet and I heard the same thing about the club wanting to buy much of that literature. Another thing I always wondered about was the huge collection of original literature that our founder Ted Hodgden had. I heard that one of the big shots in our club paid a visit to his daughter right after his death and took that burden off her hands. Makes you wonder where that pile ended up.

[Perry Ruiter]

Profoundly disappointed

When the club announced it was going to scan everything it could get its hands on to create a virtual library I was thrilled. This would be nirvana for an information hound like myself. For a number of years if I've gotten something I thought would be interesting to others I've scanned it and made it freely available on my website. I've long felt that parts should cost money but information should be free (or at the very least not hoarded). I know others have a similar philosophy, Chris Haynes comes to mind. He has a website full of photos and scans, free for anyone to look at. And as we've seen, he's happy to scan and freely offer details from his wonderful collection of factory photos. I don't have a lot of stuff on my site, but I thought of offering it to the club and closing down that page.

Not anymore! Seeing how the club library is shaping up, I'm profoundly disappointed. It's nothing but a money grab by the club! The club wants $20 for this single page scan!! (hint - click the thumbnail to view (and then save) the full sized scan for free, I did!). The club wants $30 for a four page scan of a 1940 Harley brochure. Last week you could have bought the same brochure on eBay for $26.51 (and that's NOS!!!).

Come to your senses board! The club members have paid to have this stuff scanned. It costs the club basically nothing to have a member download a copy. This information should be made available to club members for free or at most a very nominal fee (not more than a buck an item, maybe two bucks if it's a 100 page parts book). The current pricing structure (even offering it at half price to members) is obscene and an embarrassment to the club ... Perry

[Chris Haynes]

I have offered my collection of several hundred pieces to the club if they would give them to the members at no charge. The reply I got was complaining about lugging computer equipment across the country and the cost of travel and motel rooms. I guess they don't think I am capable of scanning the stuff myself.

[exeric]

It seems like everything this club does now has a price tag attached to it. Hobbiest clubs generally exist on a "NON-PROFIT", break even basis and do so for the benefit of their members. How does a small antique motorcycle club generate enough profit to have a million bucks in the treasury? And then give half of it away to some screwball foundation that has yet to give a detailed account to the suckers it took the money from. Those library fees are a slap in the face. Geeze ! Don't get me started.

[Hrdly-Dangrs]

I just posted a reply to flthead's post regarding the AACA possibly starting a antique motorcycle 'Forum' of their own on their aaca website.

Did anybody notice that we now have 4 or more 'Indpendent Contrators' running the AMCA?
Check the new Club's magazine. See how many time 'Independent Contrator' shows up under the club officer's titles.

Did I miss something? I thought these were 'volunteer' positions. $80,000.00 salary per year for the museum guy? ****, I'm unemployed right now...been so for 3 months. I'll take a job and I have a lot of experience in many phases of motorcycle restoration, general building construction trades, electrical, pnuematics and hydraulics machinery repairs just to name a few. ****, I work cheap too!

Where do I apply? Ha, ha. Hrdly