1942 Canadian Model ELC

[pete reeves]

Jim

I don’t think the box was factory, it looks like something the local carpenter/handy man would have made.
I have posted a scan of the back of the photo.

Pete Reeves 860
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[duffeycycles]

I think patents run 17 years from the application for the patent [unless a court extends]but copyrights are 75 years--HD parts books were not that old when copied in the 70's...HD Still owns the originals and can rerelease these and still own rights.Chris has attacked me about my use of the Davenport banner on some of my pics....many that I own the only known original copy[yes copy, I don't have the neg]The last time he opened this can of worms it was right before I was going to show my original Images of Harleys---Apparently Chris does not want to see them.

[Chris Haynes]

I think patents run 17 years from the application for the patent [unless a court extends]but copyrights are 75 years--HD parts books were not that old when copied in the 70's...HD Still owns the originals and can rerelease these and still own rights.Chris has attacked me about my use of the Davenport banner on some of my pics....many that I own the only known original copy[yes copy, I don't have the neg]The last time he opened this can of worms it was right before I was going to show my original Images of Harleys---Apparently Chris does not want to see them.

I love seeing pictures. I just object to the pictures being defaced by a banner or watermark. Putting such things on pictures doesn't mean you own the rights to them. It simply defaces the pictures. When I post a picture of anything it is to provide information. I have thousands of miscellaneous pictures in my collection that I have gathered from the net. I also have thousands that have been purchased from the Pohlman archives. And they weren't cheap. When I post a photo I expect it to be saved by people who need it. I have no objection to anyone using a photo I post. I don't expect credit because I didn't take the photo nor do I own the rights to it. It is always sad when a great photo appears and somebody lays a piece of paper with a name on it over the photo or puts a watermark on it. That sure destroys the integrity of the photo. Doing so must be simply a way for them to boost their ego. To me pictures are information. And as I always say, "Information Is Free. Parts Cost Money".

[Chris Haynes]

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Chris.

44 or 45 is it important?
As you have mentioned before Harley- Davidson’s production figures as written in the Legend begins are known to be inaccurate.
Bruce Palmer has written in his Military H-D book that records indicate 2 batches, 20 and 24 of 42ELC models were manufactured totalling 44, he explains the number difference with the legend begins by theorising that the 45th bike was the prototype that never left the factory.
Pete Reeves 860

Pete,
I guess you missed the smiley face on my production comment. No, it is not important. I was just giving him some good natured teasing..

[duffeycycles]

Chris the reason I "deface" some images is the fact that my images have been copied and sold at AMCA meets by people closer to the gate so they get first sales even though they have never spent a dime to aquire originals and they are obvious copies of mine-obviously I respect your sharing and gave you some images you did not have so you could share them on your site....but try to sell one of my "defaced" images and see if anyone buys!

[T. Cotten]

Chris!

Was it an early partner on your site that snagged the pic of my daddy?

It is still my father's greatest moment.

Jim!

The watermarks are counterproductive, as most can be edited in minutes.

And who on earth is going to sell your site pics at a swapmeet?

The frames would be worth more.

....Cotten

[rwm]

Chris the reason I "deface" some images is the fact that my images have been copied and sold at AMCA meets by people closer to the gate so they get first sales even though they have never spent a dime to aquire originals and they are obvious copies of mine-obviously I respect your sharing and gave you some images you did not have so you could share them on your site....but try to sell one of my "defaced" images and see if anyone buys!

i find this funny. your angry someone sells a copy of a photo you did not take. i'm sure the copy right has run out on the stuff you sell. it's just funny you dont mind profiting off of someone else's intellectual property. yet the minute someone gets closer to the front door or has a better spot to sell stuff "stolen from you" your peeved. you should run for congress.
if you bought them off the family of the photographer then i'm sorry for the statements above. it truly is a nice thing sharing the profit with the photographers heirs.

[Chris Haynes]

Chris the reason I "deface" some images is the fact that my images have been copied and sold at AMCA meets by people closer to the gate so they get first sales even though they have never spent a dime to aquire originals and they are obvious copies of mine-obviously I respect your sharing and gave you some images you did not have so you could share them on your site....but try to sell one of my "defaced" images and see if anyone buys!

I don't sell photos. I just collect and share them.

[Steve Slocombe]

Dear All, is that glossy olive drab paint in the 1944 Treasury picture? I guess the 42ELC bikes were built in the 1941 model year, so might just still be painted in the earlier finish.

[Chris Haynes]

Dear All, is that glossy olive drab paint in the 1944 Treasury picture? I guess the 42ELC bikes were built in the 1941 model year, so might just still be painted in the earlier finish.

Olive is the color. If it is glossy it is Olive gloss. If it is flat it is Olive drab. Or so they said when I was in the military.

[45OZ]

By the way. H-D's production figures show 45 ELC models were made.

Wow !! It took 10 Off Topic Post before the Topic of this thread was even discussed.
Why are guys Angry over protocol ? Life is Short Kick the Bitch & Go for a LONG RIDE & Chill
Peace
Oz

[T. Cotten]

Wow!

I just pulled a half-dozen or more picture frames out of the dumpster!

Maybe the recession is..... nevermind.

Keep up the good work Jim.

...Cotten

[Steve Slocombe]

Dear Chris, I'm using Bruce Palmer's nomenclature from his military restoration book. For 1934/5 the few military Big Twins were painted in US Army Specification 3-150 olive drab (high gloss), War Department shade No.22, and I'm assuming a similar paint was used until the 1942 flat olive drab. For a while I owned 35VD6993, the only documented between-the-wars US Army Big Twin, last seen in Alef's H-D in Wichita with its original tank number W61001. We found some original green under the orange overpaint, and it was very close to the regular Harley Olive Green.

[Sargehere]

...For a while I owned 35VD6993, the only documented between-the-wars US Army Big Twin, last seen in Alef's H-D in Wichita with its original tank number W61001...

Only V-model, perhaps, Steve, but about 80 U's with sidecars were worked/beaten to hell by the 1st & 13th Cavalry regiments at Fort Knox, 1937-41, searching for a motorized "cavalry scouting vehicle" to replace the horse. They ended up with invention of the Jeep. They were also "olive gloss," the color of Gen. George S. Patton's '38 Cadillac Staff car now at the Ft. Knox Museum of Cavalry & Armor.

How's that for straying from the subject of the thread? Hah.

[Chris Haynes]

Chris!

Was it an early partner on your site that snagged the pic of my daddy?....Cotten

Cotten,
I am sure that wonderful picture was snagged by many people.