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barry ,thats a great ad.i do have a few early magazines ,but not that one. i think the question is not do any exist ,but rather were any ever sold.look close ,the bike in the ad is the same bike in the original picture.also the ad never says how much major surgery it will take to install this revolutionary new design.its definatly not "bolt on". this is a pretty cool sidenote in the history of the motorcycle aftermarket industry.
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about Blackie Schwinn image, page 52, this thread
It takes awhile to catch up with some of these threads...
http://www.ideafinder.com/history/in...chwinnbike.htm
I am sure there are more timely photos of Mr. Schwinn,
but consider the older fellow on this web page link.
I believe Schwinn has his hands on the handlebar and fender
in the image posted in page 52 of this thread.
...edit: I was way wrong about these fellows. I assumed Ignaz to be "Blackie," but son, Frank may be in the image as Eric Smith suggests...(very interesting subject, though)Last edited by rashd; 07-23-2009, 09:04 AM.# 5844
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I talked to a long time Schwinn bicycle dealer from Florida who knew Blackie Schwinn. He said he was a great guy and saw him every winter when Schwinn vacationed in Florida. He said that Blackie Schwinn had lost an arm in a motorcycle vs. car accident. Now, this is his story but he said that Blackie Schwinn came around a corner on an Excelsior motorcycle and collided with a Packard and the radiator ornament is what mangled his arm so badly that his arm had to be amputated. Interesting story but I don't know if it's true or not.Eric Smith
AMCA #886
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Originally posted by jurassic View PostOriginally posted by exeric View PostIn my opinion, Blackie Schwinn is 3rd from left.
Last edited by Perry Ruiter; 07-23-2009, 02:11 AM.
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Blackie was Frank Schwinn, the son or Ignaz. This same Schwinn bicycle dealer said that Blackie Schwinn lost his interest in the motorcycle end of the business after his accident. When this occured, I don't know. I think that if this story is true, that combined with the complexity of motorcycle production, the deepening of the depression, and a disinterested son to pass the motorcycle business off too, may explain why Ignaz ended motorcycle manufacturing. Everything I have ever read about Ignaz tells me he was a fighter and would have continued making Hendersons and Excelsiors if his son was passionate about continuing. It probably cost Schwinn more to end motorcycle production than it would have to downsize and continue making the popular Henderson 4. I'm curious to hear other views as this is still one of the big mysteries of motorcycle history.Eric Smith
AMCA #886
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more old photo's
aka hawg1914 EXCELSIOR BELT DRIVE SINGLE
1914 excelsior belt drive single carcuss
1940 indian chief military
1965 sportster xlch
1969 sportster xlch bobber
1971 bsa A65 chopper
1969 harley ss350 sprint
1960 harley topper
1963 harley topper
H model whizzer on cheiftain bicycle
H model whizzer on schwinn bicycle
1949 harley model 125 bobber project
1959 harley model 165
1960 harley super 10
1974 indian 70cc dirt bike
EXCELSIOR - ALWAYS MAKES GOOD
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Originally posted by Perry Ruiter View PostI don't know who Blackie is (father or son?), but Ignaz (father) isn't in that picture. He was too old to be any of them. I guess Frank (son) could be the only guy looking at the camera. Circa 1916/17 they produced a lets visit the factory type publication. Here's what Ignaz and Frank looked like 5 years after the above photo was taken ... Perry
You're right about Ignaz being too old. Assuming the picture was taken when the bike was new, he would have been around 50 at that time. It is possible that Frank would be in the picture, but not likely. The Schwinns weren't very involved with Excelsior at that date.
------------------ Bob Turek
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