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I totally agree with how hard it is to judge especially with a '65 FLH. The only thing that bothers me about the judging program based on the Jefferson experience is the fact that the judges were actively consulting with 4-5 spectators without judging Jerseys who were pointing out and discussing what THEY thought was incorrect instead of the judges talking to me. That's is poor practice and ground enough for me that something seriously was wrong in terms of protocol. My understanding is that the marked judges look at your bike and do not hold consultation with spectators (not marked as judges) but would pull me in.
It's wrong IMHO to talk with spectators while judging, especially when a spectator is stooping down and insisting to a judge that "those lowers should be rough" for example for about 5 minutes or so.
I am not saying that all of my points deductions or any were a result of that but they (judging group) should be diligent about removing that from the equation. Those kind of conversations though put a big gray area over the score and the practice should not be allowed.
It's hard enough trying to get a '65 right. I really don't like a peanut gallery (even though they might be knowledgeable) that are not judges having ANY discussion during the process.
The judges should only be talking to themselves or the owner or other judges IMHO.
Judges have to cut innuendo, assumptions, etc. '65 is especially tough as there were mid year changes and last year parts that were used "till they ran out" and then '66 parts used.
I get all that - but I don't want judges talking to anyone other than marked judges while they are working over my bike. I will say again - that's the only major complaint I have about the judging received at Jefferson. I think it
affected my score and I think I would have had a Senior if it did not occur. If my Oley sheet doesn't count then they should really be diligent about keeping the judging conversation to within the official judging community assigned. Period. I would be willing to accept the same score if the judging at Jefferson on my bike was disqualified because of that on single complaint. And it really is my only complaint.j
In fact I can only recall ONE bike where there was help with judging from spectators and it was my bike. I think they just got carried away because they probably new and had trusted relationship with the folks that were
chiming in. But regardless - judge my bike and don't talk to anyone but others with the authorized judge designation or me.
Begs the question as I was told after the awards that my sheet from Oley "didn't count". I can accept that but - why shold I should offer any information next round AFA keeping previous sheets available to offer in the folder. After all, the judges can look it up themselves :-) I.E. - if they don't use it or use it against you why offer it :-)
Ray
It's wrong IMHO to talk with spectators while judging, especially when a spectator is stooping down and insisting to a judge that "those lowers should be rough" for example for about 5 minutes or so.
I am not saying that all of my points deductions or any were a result of that but they (judging group) should be diligent about removing that from the equation. Those kind of conversations though put a big gray area over the score and the practice should not be allowed.
It's hard enough trying to get a '65 right. I really don't like a peanut gallery (even though they might be knowledgeable) that are not judges having ANY discussion during the process.
The judges should only be talking to themselves or the owner or other judges IMHO.
Judges have to cut innuendo, assumptions, etc. '65 is especially tough as there were mid year changes and last year parts that were used "till they ran out" and then '66 parts used.
I get all that - but I don't want judges talking to anyone other than marked judges while they are working over my bike. I will say again - that's the only major complaint I have about the judging received at Jefferson. I think it
affected my score and I think I would have had a Senior if it did not occur. If my Oley sheet doesn't count then they should really be diligent about keeping the judging conversation to within the official judging community assigned. Period. I would be willing to accept the same score if the judging at Jefferson on my bike was disqualified because of that on single complaint. And it really is my only complaint.j
In fact I can only recall ONE bike where there was help with judging from spectators and it was my bike. I think they just got carried away because they probably new and had trusted relationship with the folks that were
chiming in. But regardless - judge my bike and don't talk to anyone but others with the authorized judge designation or me.
Begs the question as I was told after the awards that my sheet from Oley "didn't count". I can accept that but - why shold I should offer any information next round AFA keeping previous sheets available to offer in the folder. After all, the judges can look it up themselves :-) I.E. - if they don't use it or use it against you why offer it :-)
Ray
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