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    On page 687 of Palmer's 2nd edition at the bottom of the right hand column there's a pic of a '47-'54 solo. The script reads that the rosettes were leather. But in the left hand column at the top, he states that the rosettes were plastic. Did they start as leather and were replace with plastic, or did they come either way?

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    Palmer repeats the same info on pages 803 and 804 of the 3rd edition. It appears to be different than the accessory "Hi-Ho" Leather Rosettes Part # 11754-46. The rosette on the seat has what looks like a chrome washer under the head of the rivet.CIMG1814.jpgCIMG1815.jpgCIMG1817.jpgCIMG1818.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by 41craig View Post
    Palmer repeats the same info on pages 803 and 804 of the 3rd edition. It appears to be different than the accessory "Hi-Ho" Leather Rosettes Part # 11754-46. The rosette on the seat has what looks like a chrome washer under the head of the rivet.CIMG1814.jpgCIMG1815.jpgCIMG1817.jpgCIMG1818.jpg

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    And those High-Low rosettes came in plastic as well, along with different color combinations. Which still doesn't help with the timeline of when they changed from leather to plastic.
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    I have a seat that came from an elderly person that told me it is a 52 take-off when bike was new as he wanted a buddy to ride his wife. It has plastic rosettes. It is in as new condition with appropriate age. Vinyl top, leather skirt. Open seam cobbler edge. From what I'm told it is quite rare to be with these features. I can text pics if anyone wants and can tell me if it is what it is.
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    I'd be interested in a couple pics if you so desire. Interesting that the top is vinyl and the skirt is leather. I've been tracking one on FleaBay that has a leather top and a plastic skirt, and the rosettes are plastic. I'm guessing it's after market, and it's going for pretty large shekels right now.

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    Well, now we have narrowed it down to 1946 was leather and 1952 was plastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omarttentmaker View Post
    I'd be interested in a couple pics if you so desire. Interesting that the top is vinyl and the skirt is leather. I've been tracking one on FleaBay that has a leather top and a plastic skirt, and the rosettes are plastic. I'm guessing it's after market, and it's going for pretty large shekels right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omarttentmaker View Post
    I'd be interested in a couple pics if you so desire. Interesting that the top is vinyl and the skirt is leather. I've been tracking one on FleaBay that has a leather top and a plastic skirt, and the rosettes are plastic. I'm guessing it's after market, and it's going for pretty large shekels right now.
    As to the “RARE NOS … OEM” ebay seat (currently at $2,025 with 34 bids), IMO, contrary to the listing, Milsco wasn’t making rosette-style Deluxe Solo Saddles in the early 1970s.

    IMO, of the differences between the ebay seat and a typical OEM seat (e.g., shell; skirt; binding; rosettes; spots; rivets; tacks; thread; sewing; stitches; etc.), rosettes, spots, and tacks may be some of the most readily apparent.

    For example, the OEM skirt (aka housing in Milsco documents and cowling in some HD literature) was generally tacked and sewed. And, the spots are very different (e.g., size; quantity; positioning; spacing; assembly; etc.).

    The ebay seat appears to be a very nice seat and worth some money. But, it does not appear to be a NOS OEM seat. As to the money, I don’t know if the buyer knows, or will ever know, the difference. I’m guessing that bidders may be relying on the description of the seat.

    Note that the other Deluxe Solo Saddle pictured in the listing photos is also not OEM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D.A.Bagin View Post
    I have a seat that came from an elderly person that told me it is a 52 take-off when bike was new as he wanted a buddy to ride his wife. It has plastic rosettes. It is in as new condition with appropriate age. Vinyl top, leather skirt. Open seam cobbler edge. From what I'm told it is quite rare to be with these features. I can text pics if anyone wants and can tell me if it is what it is.
    Is the cover (a) vinyl or (b) an ABS type plastic composite material? I understand that the terms vinyl and plastic are often used interchangeably and otherwise pretty loosely.

    Is the skirt (a) leather or (b) plastic? As to rare features for a MY1952 style Deluxe Solo Saddle (DSS), an open (aka raw) seam by itself is generally considered rare. A MY1952 style DSS with a plastic cover and a leather skirt may be almost unheard of. I'm no expert. Experts disagree on many of these issues. But, to my knowledge, experts generally agree on the skirt material for the MY1952 style DSS.

    I would love to see any photos of the seat that you are willing to share. I may be able to help identify the model year and/or some of the materials.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omarttentmaker View Post
    On page 687 of Palmer's 2nd edition at the bottom of the right hand column there's a pic of a '47-'54 solo. The script reads that the rosettes were leather. But in the left hand column at the top, he states that the rosettes were plastic. Did they start as leather and were replace with plastic, or did they come either way?
    It would be difficult to take a photo of a “1947-1954” Deluxe Solo Saddle (DSS) because many different versions of the DSS were used for that time period, including police versions and civilian versions with different covers, skirts, rosettes, spots, and seams.

    Plastic rosettes were used for the last version of the rosette style civilian DSS for MY1947 and each version of the rosette style civilian DSS thereafter.

    I’m not currently sure about the rosettes for earlier versions of the civilian DSS for MY1947.
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