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    can someone help

    I have a 1965 xlch sportster and I believe the bottom end is full of oil and need to drain it, I cannot see a drain plug anywhere - am I missing it in my looking.

    if no plug how do you drain oil from the bottom end - motor is still in frame

    I removed the timing hole screw - when I kick the motor over it shoots oil across the garage.

    I just purchased the bike - it has sat for over 5 years and never kicked over during that time

    aka HAWG
    1914 EXCELSIOR BELT DRIVE SINGLE
    1914 excelsior belt drive single carcuss
    1940 indian chief military
    1965 sportster xlch
    1969 sportster xlch bobber
    1971 bsa A65 chopper
    1969 harley ss350 sprint
    1960 harley topper
    1963 harley topper
    H model whizzer on cheiftain bicycle
    H model whizzer on schwinn bicycle
    1949 harley model 125 bobber project
    1959 harley model 165
    1960 harley super 10
    1974 indian 70cc dirt bike
    EXCELSIOR - ALWAYS MAKES GOOD

  • #2
    Strange thing about drain plugs. Some have them and others don't. They are located under the primary cover on the side, not the bottom.
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    • #3
      If there isn't a drain plug for the crankcase located below the flywheels near the case mating surface, you can either use a syphon gun or the old fashion method with lung power. You need a small diameter tube such as aquarium air line. Stick it down thru the timing plug hole. You might want to warm things up a bit to get the oil to flow easily.
      Kyle Oanes AMCA # 3046

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      • #4
        thanks for the input

        heating up the oil would help but this is some of the problem, with the bottom end full of oil it is very hard to kick it over, and the oil shooting across the garage with timing hole cover off do not want to run it - if I can get it started

        aka HAWG
        1914 EXCELSIOR BELT DRIVE SINGLE
        1914 excelsior belt drive single carcuss
        1940 indian chief military
        1965 sportster xlch
        1969 sportster xlch bobber
        1971 bsa A65 chopper
        1969 harley ss350 sprint
        1960 harley topper
        1963 harley topper
        H model whizzer on cheiftain bicycle
        H model whizzer on schwinn bicycle
        1949 harley model 125 bobber project
        1959 harley model 165
        1960 harley super 10
        1974 indian 70cc dirt bike
        EXCELSIOR - ALWAYS MAKES GOOD

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        • #5
          I wasn't very clear, I meant to say warm the oil in the crankcase with a heat source like a heat gun or hair drier so it would be easier to syphon.
          Kyle Oanes AMCA # 3046

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          • #6
            Take off the plug or oil light sensor off the front of the oil pump, and the fitting that holds those on. Then pull out the ball and spring, and it should drain from there. Might take a while.

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            • #7
              All Ironhead Sportster cases have at least one(centered in middle of trans housing) gearcase drain. Unless it has been welded up, alot of them were welded up in the old days because at the time the heli-coil was not such a plentifull item. As the years progressed they added the one on left case under primary. I believe 72 (I'll have to check) they added the one under the flywheel ass. (in the case) so that what little oil was held could be drained w/oil change was done(also helped to scavange pieces of a broken ring-piston in case of topend failure). Pulling the sending unit off the front of oil pump, along w/check ball & spring will not do you any good. It will not effect gearcase oil, it will however drain your oil tank.
              Gary
              THUMPERS Inc.
              THUMPERS Inc.
              Classic Harley Davidson Motorcycles
              Speed-Custom-Resto
              386-960-5736

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              • #8
                time to ask another question

                I want to take the magneto out of the bike and use points - what timer do I need to look for

                I know I have to change other things to make work but having trouble with mag and like the points set-up better - also want the headlight on due to provincial law and safety

                any help accepted

                aka HAWG
                1914 EXCELSIOR BELT DRIVE SINGLE
                1914 excelsior belt drive single carcuss
                1940 indian chief military
                1965 sportster xlch
                1969 sportster xlch bobber
                1971 bsa A65 chopper
                1969 harley ss350 sprint
                1960 harley topper
                1963 harley topper
                H model whizzer on cheiftain bicycle
                H model whizzer on schwinn bicycle
                1949 harley model 125 bobber project
                1959 harley model 165
                1960 harley super 10
                1974 indian 70cc dirt bike
                EXCELSIOR - ALWAYS MAKES GOOD

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                • #9
                  The hard thing about this conversion is finding a place to put the battery. I have a 65 XL timer I would sell if you are interested. Since you are removing the mag from the CH I guess you're not too worried about originality. The 65 timer is a 1 yr only, the 66-70 is a little different.
                  Kyle Oanes AMCA # 3046

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                  • #10
                    I will send you a pm thanks

                    aka HAWG
                    1914 EXCELSIOR BELT DRIVE SINGLE
                    1914 excelsior belt drive single carcuss
                    1940 indian chief military
                    1965 sportster xlch
                    1969 sportster xlch bobber
                    1971 bsa A65 chopper
                    1969 harley ss350 sprint
                    1960 harley topper
                    1963 harley topper
                    H model whizzer on cheiftain bicycle
                    H model whizzer on schwinn bicycle
                    1949 harley model 125 bobber project
                    1959 harley model 165
                    1960 harley super 10
                    1974 indian 70cc dirt bike
                    EXCELSIOR - ALWAYS MAKES GOOD

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by aka HAWG View Post
                      can someone help

                      I have a 1965 xlch sportster and I believe the bottom end is full of oil and need to drain it, I cannot see a drain plug anywhere - am I missing it in my looking.

                      if no plug how do you drain oil from the bottom end - motor is still in frame

                      I removed the timing hole screw - when I kick the motor over it shoots oil across the garage.

                      I just purchased the bike - it has sat for over 5 years and never kicked over during that time

                      aka HAWG
                      If you start the bike the engine will purge the excess oil by itself. Be sure you have a pan under it.
                      Be sure to visit;
                      http://www.vintageamericanmotorcycles.com/main.php
                      Be sure to register at the site so you can see large images.
                      Also be sure to visit http://www.caimag.com/forum/

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                      • #12
                        thumper - it is not the gearcase I had questioned it was the crankcase

                        manuel ( chris ) that would be a great idea to try but when was the last time you tried to kick over a motor that was filled with 5+ year old SAE 50 oil - and a magneto ignition. this is the reason I needed to drain the crankcase, so I could get it to kick over easier

                        I removed the ball and spring - kicked a few times and let sit for about an hour and repeated till no more oil driped from the engine

                        aka HAWG
                        1914 EXCELSIOR BELT DRIVE SINGLE
                        1914 excelsior belt drive single carcuss
                        1940 indian chief military
                        1965 sportster xlch
                        1969 sportster xlch bobber
                        1971 bsa A65 chopper
                        1969 harley ss350 sprint
                        1960 harley topper
                        1963 harley topper
                        H model whizzer on cheiftain bicycle
                        H model whizzer on schwinn bicycle
                        1949 harley model 125 bobber project
                        1959 harley model 165
                        1960 harley super 10
                        1974 indian 70cc dirt bike
                        EXCELSIOR - ALWAYS MAKES GOOD

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by aka HAWG View Post
                          thumper - it is not the gearcase I had questioned it was the crankcase

                          manuel ( chris ) that would be a great idea to try but when was the last time you tried to kick over a motor that was filled with 5+ year old SAE 50 oil - and a magneto ignition. this is the reason I needed to drain the crankcase, so I could get it to kick over easier

                          aka HAWG
                          I quit kickin' as soon as I bought one of these.
                          http://www.doczintl.com/docz_interna...lo_starte.html
                          Be sure to visit;
                          http://www.vintageamericanmotorcycles.com/main.php
                          Be sure to register at the site so you can see large images.
                          Also be sure to visit http://www.caimag.com/forum/

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                          • #14
                            Mag to Dist swap.......

                            Would have to go w/the 66-74 (or so) oil bag & battery box. Go w/CycleElectrics gen if not wanting the extra wiring(& reg) to contend with. If needing any parts(including dist) contact me have everything you need to do the swap-over.
                            Gary
                            THUMPERS Inc.
                            Classic Harley Davidson Motorcycles
                            Speed-Custom-Resto
                            386-960-5736

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                            • #15
                              Draining oil / replacing oil tank

                              Trading the "CH" oil tank for one with a cavity for the battery should not be hard. There are dozens of people like me who would gladly trade a battery tank for the CH version.

                              About your problem with draining oil: All I have to do with my '60 CH is let it sit for a few weeks, and "presto" a good amount of expensive H-D oil has found its way out of the engine onto the floor!
                              George Tinkham
                              Springfield, IL
                              www.virmc.com
                              AMCA # 1494
                              1941 Indian 841
                              1948 Indian Chief
                              1956 H-D KHK
                              1960 CH
                              1964 BMW R69S
                              1966 Honda Touring Benly (aka "150 Dream")
                              1984 Moto Guzzi V65Sp

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